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they sell that backlight at costco. do you just tape it on the back of the TV? does it get hot? and is there a way to plug it in so it goes on when you turn on the TV?

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Thanks. For connection and Audyssey, what are those considered "front height"? I mean at $299 msrp, it is not pricey at all to add them.

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looking at your picture you're slightly toed in but not like at a 45 degree angle at the center of couch? or maybe mine has to be 45 degree angle because my speakers are pretty far apart across the front (i have a large room). i'll play around with different angles when they come in today.
Yeah, they are not 45 degrees. I'm covering two seats, so I toed them in less. It is an aiming strategy I have found to best work in this room.

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Our MLP is basically a spot in between where my wife sits, and where I sit. So I have the FR aimed at my inner shoulder, and the FL aimed at her inner shoulder so they cross behind us.

When I run XT32, 1 and 4 are measured in the MLP between us, and 2,3,5,6 are measured in our seats. 7 and 8 just cover more areas of that "box".
Same here! I was wondering if I was the only one who splits and shares the sweet spot. When I watch alone I sometimes sit in the middle of the two seats to see if it makes a difference, but I don't notice any.
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they sell that backlight at costco. do you just tape it on the back of the TV? does it get hot? and is there a way to plug it in so it goes on when you turn on the TV?
I had originally ordered this to go behind my TV:

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But, while changing LED colors was cool, I found that I never really wanted to use anything but the white. What's more, when I changed sources with my Onkyo IR remote, adjusted volume with the DirecTV remote, or used nearly any button on my Oppo remote - the IR signal would cause the strip to change colors, or start pulsating. Frustrating!

So, I went back and got this plain vanilla one: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Works awesome. Plugs into the USB port on my TV, so it turns on and off with the set.
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Thanks. For connection and Audyssey, what are those considered "front height"? I mean at $299 msrp, it is not pricey at all to add them.
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Plugs into the USB port on my TV, so it turns on and off with the set.
cool. i'm going to get one to.

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http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...nt-systems.pdf

Found a lot of literature, evidently, Dolby 3.1.2 and 2.1.2 is not uncommon and they have a guide. Going to order the modules today.

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I keep my fronts toed in facing the MLP. and have them about 18" from the wall. The RF-7iii really like to be able to breath. Ideally they'd be a little further but they're already sticking out a bit.

For any of the set-up questions on placement Dobly is a great resource. They have guides for just about every speaker config that show the ideal layout. You can find them at http://www.dolby.com/us/en/speaker-...des/index.html

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they sell that backlight at costco. do you just tape it on the back of the TV? does it get hot? and is there a way to plug it in so it goes on when you turn on the TV?
Turning on and off with the TV would depends on the specific lights you buy. I have a DreamScreen on my TV. It gives the bias lighting but instead of having a single color on it matches the color to what's on the screen. It gives a cool effect.

The lights just tape onto the back of your screen. In my experience with both the Dreamscreen lights and the lights I had previously, the tape on the lights sucks and they end up falling. I always use the 3m double sided tap to attach them. Once I made that switch I haven't had any issues with them coming off.

The bias lighting kits always use LED lights. So they don't get hot and add much heat to the back of the TV.
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i think my question about toed in is do the klipsch RP need to be directly at MLP (i.e. line up the woofers directly) or just slightly pointed in...
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They don't have to be. It's up to the individual; some can hear a difference and some can't. Give it a try and see if you hear any difference.


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i think my question about toed in is do the klipsch RP need to be directly at MLP (i.e. line up the woofers directly) or just slightly pointed in...
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Unboxed my speakers. Does the 404C/504C have rubber feet or does the speaker just sit directly on shelf?
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Unboxed my speakers. Does the 404C/504C have rubber feet or does the speaker just sit directly on shelf?
Hurry up and demo already... I'm anxious to hear your experience lol. I believe they come with rubber feet, but I haven't used mine. I'd like for you not to hook that center up just yet if you can. Try the fronts by themselves then take em out and have that center by itself and tell me what you think... ofcourse if you can... I'm not demanding it or anything. I'm just curious to hear what you think on the 4 woofer thingy. Overall, what does your system consists of. We know the two mentioned but do you have surrounds as well?

What center did you have before too?
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Unboxed my speakers. Does the 404C/504C have rubber feet or does the speaker just sit directly on shelf?
Hurry up and demo already... I'm anxious to hear your experience lol. I believe they come with rubber feet, but I haven't used mine. I'd like for you not to hook that center up just yet if you can. Try the fronts by themselves then take em out and have that center by itself and tell me what you think... ofcourse if you can... I'm not demanding it or anything. I'm just curious to hear what you think on the 4 woofer thingy. Overall, what does your system consists of. We know the two mentioned but do you have surrounds as well?

What center did you have before too?
I had infinity primus speakers before. I plugged them in but haven’t had chance to really demo much as the family got home right after.

Before I listen, I really need to reset and rerun Audyssey on my denon x3300. Otherwise I believe the eq, levels, and and all that stuff would be off since it was done with the previous speakers?
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Bummer, I'd kick em out lol. I demo'd then ran ypao,demo'd again to see if/how the sound changes and to see if I could really tell them apart.
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Bummer, I'd kick em out lol. I demo'd then ran ypao,demo'd again to see if/how the sound changes and to see if I could really tell them apart.
Crossover at 80 and front speakers all set to small right?

Is there a break in period for these? How many hours? If so, how does sound change when broken in?

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Bummer, I'd kick em out lol. I demo'd then ran ypao,demo'd again to see if/how the sound changes and to see if I could really tell them apart.
Crossover at 80 and front speakers all set to small right?
yea that works, I've got mine set to large though.
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I'm set to large also, might change when my HSU sub arrives next week. Listening area often dictates also.

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Well I’m running with an svs pb2000 sub so I think small would be more correct then?

And I think I read in manual but I only run one set of wires to each speaker...so leave in those metal connectors between the two terminals?
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Well I’m running with an svs pb2000 sub so I think small would be more correct then?

And I think I read in manual but I only run one set of wires to each speaker...so leave in those metal connectors between the two terminals?
Yes, and yes. I believe it's the opinion of the resident Klipsch engineer that Klipsch speakers need, at most, a few seconds of break in. What most people consider break in is your ears getting used to the sound of your new speakers.
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Well I’m running with an svs pb2000 sub so I think small would be more correct then?

And I think I read in manual but I only run one set of wires to each speaker...so leave in those metal connectors between the two terminals?
Yes, and yes. I believe it's the opinion of the resident Klipsch engineer that Klipsch speakers need, at most, a few seconds of break in. What most people consider break in is your ears getting used to the sound of your new speakers.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Yeah I haven’t touched anything in AVR yet. Think I gotta run Audyssey xt32 calibration this morning as everything is based off my previous speakers. I imagine this is impacting the EQ right now?
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Yeah I haven’t touched anything in AVR yet. Think I gotta run Audyssey xt32 calibration this morning as everything is based off my previous speakers. I imagine this is impacting the EQ right now?
Yes. I would think if you just hook up your speakers using a previous speakers Audyssey calibration that things might sound a little weird.

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Yes, and yes. I believe it's the opinion of the resident Klipsch engineer that Klipsch speakers need, at most, a few seconds of break in. What most people consider break in is your ears getting used to the sound of your new speakers.
I don't know if you are referring to me or not? I don't believe in break in of speakers affecting the sound. Your ears will adjust to them more then their sonic signature will ever change. It is a fact the parameters of a transducer will slightly shift after some time, but it isn't enough to change the sound.

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Yeah I haven’t touched anything in AVR yet. Think I gotta run Audyssey xt32 calibration this morning as everything is based off my previous speakers. I imagine this is impacting the EQ right now?
Yes. I would think if you just hook up your speakers using a previous speakers Audyssey calibration that things might sound a little weird.
Yeah right now before running calibration again the center sounds hollow and muddy imo but I’m reserving judgment.
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I don't know if you are referring to me or not? I don't believe in break in of speakers affecting the sound. Your ears will adjust to them more then their sonic signature will ever change. It is a fact the parameters of a transducer will slightly shift after some time, but it isn't enough to change the sound.

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Yeah, I maybe mixing people up. Someone said that at the most, their speakers might need a second or two for the woofers to do whatever. In other words, they didn't really need break in.
None of the few speaker manufactures I follow seem to believe in speaker break in, they believe in ear break in.
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Okay just re-ran Audyssey. Didn’t change the defaults yet but just 5 minutes of tv sounds much better. Will report back later with more testing and the results.

One thing...should I override everything to crossover at 80 and speakers to small? It set them to large with lower crossovers.

I have a sub for lfe/bass so. This is what I did with my last setup but confirming.
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My 504C came with rubber feet (4).

Going to order these today to put on top of the 8000F's


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Okay just re-ran Audyssey. Didn’t change the defaults yet but just 5 minutes of tv sounds much better. Will report back later with more testing and the results.

One thing...should I override everything to crossover at 80 and speakers to small? It set them to large with lower crossovers.

I have a sub for lfe/bass so. This is what I did with my last setup but confirming.
If you don't leave it as Audyssey set it, then you won't utilize the equalization it set. If it did something radical like set a really small speaker to 40Hz HP filter then re run it with slightly different mic position (like inches).


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My 504C came with rubber feet (4).

Going to order these today to put on top of the 8000F's


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When you say rubber feet, you mean the couple mm sticky pads?


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Okay just re-ran Audyssey. Didn’t change the defaults yet but just 5 minutes of tv sounds much better. Will report back later with more testing and the results.

One thing...should I override everything to crossover at 80 and speakers to small? It set them to large with lower crossovers.

I have a sub for lfe/bass so. This is what I did with my last setup but confirming.
If you don't leave it as Audyssey set it, then you won't utilize the equalization it set. If it did something radical like set a really small speaker to 40Hz HP filter then re run it with slightly different mic position (like inches).


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You can change from large to small, and INCREASE the xover setting after Audyssey runs without issue.

Mine are usually large and 60 or 40 for fronts, I always move them to small and 80. The proper mic position is what it is, do not move it around to influence xover and speaker size settings, just change them.
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