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post #1 of 18 Old 01-11-2019, 09:01 AM - Thread Starter
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ELAC Carina Series JET Tweeter Speakers by Andrew Jones at CES 2019

The ELAC JET tweeter is a folded-ribbon, air-motion transformer design that the company has refined over the years. At CES 2019, the company introduced the first speakers designed by Andrew Jones that utilize this tweeter type: Carina Series. The series consists of three models, all of which have a refined and modern aesthetic and benefit from the deep experience in high performance speaker design that's brought to the table by Mr. Jones. Of course they utilize the latest version of ELAC's JET.

At CES 2019, I had the opportunity to hear the BS243.4 ($1200/pair), a 2-way vented design that features a downfiring tuned port, Which allows it to be placed as close to a wall as you like without the aesthetic compromise of a front-mounted port. True to form, this Andrew Jones design produce extraordinarily detailed and balanced sound. The speakers were invisible, the soundfield floated in front of me like a three dimensional hologram, and instrument placement was extremely focused and precise. A single 5.25" aluminum driver proves the mids and bass and crosses over to the tweeter at 2.7 kHz. This model has a rated frequency response of 46 Hz to 30 kHz and 85 dB (2.83V/1m) sensitivity. Power handling is 100 W, nominal impedance is rated at 6 ohms, and it dips down to 4.8 ohms minimum.

A center channel dubbed the CC241.4 is also available, it is a 2-way vented design featuring a downfiring port. Dual 5.25" aluminum drivers handle bass and midrange And cross over to the tweeter at 2.7 kHz. Frequency response is rated at 50 Hz to 30 kHz, Power handling is 120 W and sensitivity is 87 dB (2.83V/1m).

This series also includes floorstanding towers, the FS247.4 ($2400/pair). This is a 2.5 way design with dual 5.25" aluminum drivers and the JET tweeter. Like its siblings, the speaker features a downfiring port. This model has a frequency response of 34 Hz to 30 kHz. The crossover to the tweeter is centered around 2700 Hz, just like the other two models. But the lower of the two drivers is cut off at 1000 Hz. Sensitivity for these floorstanders is 87 dB (2.83V/1m) and peak power handling is 120 W, just like the center channel. These sleek speakers are available in satin white and satin black finishes.

It was an easy pick for an AVS Forum "Best of CES 2019" award



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I asked this question a few years ago to Andrew. I'm glad to now see the product.

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They look like very nice speakers for the money.
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At CES 2019, I had the opportunity to hear the BS243.4 ($1200),


Was this $1,200 each or for a pair?
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At CES 2019, I had the opportunity to hear the BS243.4 ($1200),


Was this $1,200 each or for a pair?
Per pair, I'll note that in the post.

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2400 for towers with only 5.25s?? ::

Why wouldnt somebody who liked this tweeter just get Emotiva T2s with "same" tweeter, for much less?

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2400 for towers with only 5.25s?? ::

Why wouldnt somebody who liked this tweeter just get Emotiva T2s with "same" tweeter, for much less?
Guess you'd have to compare and see if there enough of a performance difference. There's certainly more to a speaker than tweeter type, the crossover and cabinet play a role too, as do magnets/motor structures, port tuning, etc... and then there's aesthetics.

But no doubt Emotiva offers a great deal on a tower that has an AMT tweeter.
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2400 for towers with only 5.25s?? ::

Why wouldnt somebody who liked this tweeter just get Emotiva T2s with "same" tweeter, for much less?

Because that speaker looks like it was designed by an early 90's Sci-fi fan with a $50 budget? And isn't there a $50 set of Dayton Bookshelves that have that same tweeter as well? So I doubt the execution is exactly the same.


And I'm going to bet that the Elac sounds much better to boot. Although the rumor is that these have a slightly different sound than how he typically voices the Elac speakers we've already heard (different price points usually want a different sound character I would imagine). Would love to hear a pair myself.

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2400 for towers with only 5.25s?? ::

Why wouldnt somebody who liked this tweeter just get Emotiva T2s with "same" tweeter, for much less?
You can't be serious!! There's some good reason's why they cost "much less". For one just look at them!

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Hey Mark, did they tell you what the recording was that was playing in the video?

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Mark - at this price point there will be many competitors but the Ascend Sierra-2 and KEF LS50 quickly come to mind. Any comments on initial impressions of Carina sound vs these popular speakers ?
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Guess you'd have to compare and see if there enough of a performance difference. There's certainly more to a speaker than tweeter type, the crossover and cabinet play a role too, as do magnets/motor structures, port tuning, etc... and then there's aesthetics.

But no doubt Emotiva offers a great deal on a tower that has an AMT tweeter.
Not all AMTs are the same as already noted.

For example Martin Logan's and Golden Ear's are larger than those used by Emotiva and I have not doubt that just like other "similar" tweeter designs, not all AMTs sound alike no more so than all silk dome tweeters sound alike.

If you look at Soundstage, for example, Martin Logan speakers measure, um, not so well in the treble, (though I love my LX16s), and Golden Ears don't seem to be that much better.

The RAAL in the Selah Audio, (not an AMT), measures superbly so hopefully the new Elac AMT measures more like a RAAL ribbon.

If that is the case the new Elacs could actually be a "bargain."

I mention Soundstage measurements as in a recent thread Floyd Toole complimented their measurements as being worthy.

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/in...=16&Itemid=140

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Not all AMTs are the same as already noted.

For example Martin Logan's and Golden Ear's are larger than those used by Emotiva and I have not doubt that just like other "similar" tweeter designs, not all AMTs sound alike no more so than all silk dome tweeters sound alike.

If you look at Soundstage, for example, Martin Logan speakers measure, um, not so well in the treble, (though I love my LX16s), and Golden Ears don't seem to be that much better.

The RAAL in the Selah Audio, (not an AMT), measures superbly so hopefully the new Elac AMT measures more like a RAAL ribbon.

If that is the case the new Elacs could actually be a "bargain."

I mention Soundstage measurements as in a recent thread Floyd Toole complimented their measurements as being worthy.

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/in...=16&Itemid=140
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About time we started giving out awards that reflect "our" worship of the toole man:
There are many speakers that Soundstage measured that measured very well that he had no hand in designing.

The Ascend 170 also measured very very well.

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Not all AMTs are the same as already noted.

For example Martin Logan's and Golden Ear's are larger than those used by Emotiva and I have not doubt that just like other "similar" tweeter designs, not all AMTs sound alike no more so than all silk dome tweeters sound alike.

If you look at Soundstage, for example, Martin Logan speakers measure, um, not so well in the treble, (though I love my LX16s), and Golden Ears don't seem to be that much better.

The RAAL in the Selah Audio, (not an AMT), measures superbly so hopefully the new Elac AMT measures more like a RAAL ribbon.

If that is the case the new Elacs could actually be a "bargain."

I mention Soundstage measurements as in a recent thread Floyd Toole complimented their measurements as being worthy.

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/in...=16&Itemid=140
Correct, If you listen to the video (right when it starts for 1 minute) in post two, you will see that Andrew does talk about that. Saying that cheap AMT's sound like Cheap AMT's. Many people forget that ELAC has been using Jet tweeters for a long, long time.

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Mark - at this price point there will be many competitors but the Ascend Sierra-2 and KEF LS50 quickly come to mind. Any comments on initial impressions of Carina sound vs these popular speakers ?
This was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the price point. The Ascend Sierra 2 are hard to beat.
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Good to see him working with their JET tweeter. I always wanted to try out their Line series bookshelves.

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because that speaker looks like it was designed by an early 90's sci-fi fan with a $50 budget? and isn't there a $50 set of dayton bookshelves that have that same tweeter as well? So i doubt the execution is exactly the same.


And i'm going to bet that the elac sounds much better to boot. Although the rumor is that these have a slightly different sound than how he typically voices the elac speakers we've already heard (different price points usually want a different sound character i would imagine). would love to hear a pair myself.

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[QUOTE=Blacklightning;57436866]Correct, If you listen to the video (right when it starts for 1 minute) in post two, you will see that Andrew does talk about that. Saying that cheap AMT's sound like Cheap AMT's. Many people forget that ELAC has been using Jet tweeters for a long, long time.



This was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the price point. The Ascend Sierra 2 are hard to beat.[/QU


I'd like to be the first person to do an A/B face-off between the Sierra-2 and the ELAC Carina. The old gun-slinger vs Wyatt Earp (Jones). Can't wait !!!
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