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hey guys,

I have been reading up on the 212RTs and I also read how the 210s are great speakers as well. My needs are strictly 2.0 stereo listening.

I currently have the Harbeth 30.1 speakers with a pair of Rythmik F15HP. While I love the Harbeths (the mids coming out of these speakers are exquisite) I feel like I'm missing the midbass. My room is pretty wide 17' but not too deep, about 12".

It is upstairs and the back of the wall opens up to a greater more open area (stairs that lead to the first floor)

The 212RTs I think would fit quite well but I keep reading about how the 215RTs are the best of the bunch. I think if I get the 215s I can sell the subs as they won't be needed.

I'm running the Anthem STR to power them up so I think I will have sufficient power.

215s are huge though and I'm not looking forward to carrying 215 pounds upstairs twice!!

So thoughts and comments regarding 212RT and the 215RT
Strictly for 2.0 music? The 212RT’s should provide all the bass you need for 95% of the music

What type of music do you listen to? I had 210RT’s and then moved up to 215RT’s and of course they have a lot more bass and absolutely do not need subs.

A dolly can help with moving them around.

I much prefer listening to music without subs and the 215RT’s are the best I ever heard - the 210RT is second. Besides the bass difference maybe the 215RT has a wider soundstage? I didn’t have them in the room at the same time so I can’t be sure.
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I listen to all sorts of music from pop to RnB, metal to a little bit of hip hop (90s mostly)

Lately I have been into the 80s pop music.

In addition to music, I will likely do 2 channel movies, just listening to movies in stereo. My head is saying 212RT is enough but the heart is saying 215RT =)

My wife would kill me if I bring a beast like that home.

Has anyone compared the 212RTs to the 215s?
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I listen to all sorts of music from pop to RnB, metal to a little bit of hip hop (90s mostly)

Lately I have been into the 80s pop music.

In addition to music, I will likely do 2 channel movies, just listening to movies in stereo. My head is saying 212RT is enough but the heart is saying 215RT =)

My wife would kill me if I bring a beast like that home.

Has anyone compared the 212RTs to the 215s?
Movies have a lot more low bass than music. You could go with the 215RM. They are smaller and can go almost as low.
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My vote is keep your subs and get a pair of 210's. Your wife won't be nearly as mad, and it's not like the 210's are small.

Also... there is no guarantee that the placement of the 215's in your room will be good spots for "subs" and there is a very good chance that your current placement of your subs will be better.

- edit - Although you do say that you are lacking mid bass which could be due to current sub placement and could also be due to possible incorrect timing with the mains.


For music you can try 2.0 with the 210's - which will work VERY well for almost all types of music since the 210's have strong output into the mid 30 hz range - and if you have dips in the bass frequency response above that you can just revert back to using the subs for music just like you would with movies.

Having had both the 215's and the 210's in my room for long periods of time and I preferred the 210's but so much of this is room dependent, it wouldn't surprise me if Ray liked the 210's better in my room and I liked the 215's better in his room.

The 215's are bigger in person than they look so keep that in mind (picturing wife's reaction to them ).
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hey guys,

I have been reading up on the 212RTs and I also read how the 210s are great speakers as well. My needs are strictly 2.0 stereo listening.

I currently have the Harbeth 30.1 speakers with a pair of Rythmik F15HP. While I love the Harbeths (the mids coming out of these speakers are exquisite) I feel like I'm missing the midbass. My room is pretty wide 17' but not too deep, about 12".

It is upstairs and the back of the wall opens up to a greater more open area (stairs that lead to the first floor)

The 212RTs I think would fit quite well but I keep reading about how the 215RTs are the best of the bunch. I think if I get the 215s I can sell the subs as they won't be needed.

I'm running the Anthem STR to power them up so I think I will have sufficient power.

215s are huge though and I'm not looking forward to carrying 215 pounds upstairs twice!!

So thoughts and comments regarding 212RT and the 215RT
Point1, i have only heard the 215RT's and bought them just from reading on here but best audio decision i have ever made after auditioning and owning quite a lot of other high end brands over the years.

215RT's are definitely LARGE and in CHARGE. Lol 212RT's are 6db more sensitive versus 215's and that can give you more resolution ime. Even if you go to 215RT's or RM's you are gonna be 10db higher in sensitivity versus your current speakers. I would say if you are concerned with size go 215RM's as they are sealed and keep the subs. I run subs with my RT's and i find subs in a 2 channel only system give higher resolution and outstanding midrange, depth and width of soundstage. Something to be said for ridding the main amp of producing bass.

I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the JTR's no matter which model you would decide on.
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Point1, i have only heard the 215RT's and bought them just from reading on here but best audio decision i have ever made after auditioning and owning quite a lot of other high end brands over the years.



215RT's are definitely LARGE and in CHARGE. Lol 212RT's are 6db more sensitive and that can give you more resolution in ime. Even if you go to 215RT's or RM's you are gonna be 10db higher in sensitivity versus your current speakers. I would say if you are concerned with size go 215RM's as they are sealed and keep the subs. I run subs with my RT's and i find subs in a 2 channel only system give higher resolution and outstanding midrange, depth and width of soundstage. Something to be said for ridding the main amp of producing bass.



I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the JTR's no matter which model you would decide on.

What brand speakers and models did you audition and look at?

I think your comment alone just sold me on the 215s


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What brand speakers and models did you audition and look at?

I think your comment alone just sold me on the 215s


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I gave you that list when I responded to your PM last week.


Just to calrify the 212RT's are 101db sensitive and the 215 Rm's or RT's are 95db sensitive. You can't go wrong with any of Jeff's products.
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I gave you that list when I responded to your PM last week.


Just to calrify the 212RT's are 101db sensitive and the 215 Rm's or RT's are 95db sensitive. You can't go wrong with any of Jeff's products.
You did let me know. Been doing so much research, my head is spinning

Do you know how much space the 215RT need behind and on the sides? I will probably have about 6 to 9 inches of space between the back of the speakers and the wall and probably about 4 to 6 inches on the sides.
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You did let me know. Been doing so much research, my head is spinning

Do you know how much space the 215RT need behind and on the sides? I will probably have about 6 to 9 inches of space between the back of the speakers and the wall and probably about 4 to 6 inches on the sides.
I have mine up against the back wall with no space at all. My right speaker is also up against the side wall but toed in a bit.
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I'm contemplating going with Single 8HT-lp for LCR on a living room setup, as a built in wall unit. Does anyone have any photos of the grill covers and what they look like? How much free space do they need behind them?

Here's a photo of my Single 8HT-LP LCR setup, along with close ups of grill vs no grill. It's a bit messy looking, but it's all hidden behind a 130" AT screen during movie watching. The sound from this setup is ridiculous given the size. The receiver gives up long before the speakers do. It's perfect for this size room, despite all my lust for a 212RT or 215RT setup.
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I have mine up against the back wall with no space at all. My right speaker is also up against the side wall but toed in a bit.
Thank you this is helpful. I'm probably going to put in an order tomorrow!
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You did let me know. Been doing so much research, my head is spinning

Do you know how much space the 215RT need behind and on the sides? I will probably have about 6 to 9 inches of space between the back of the speakers and the wall and probably about 4 to 6 inches on the sides.
Yep, I understand the head spinning from researching.LOL

I have mine 3 feet from front wall to back of cabinets. Put them right against the sidewalls and toed in until I had the imaging I wanted plus my room is only 9 feet wide.

Oh and two of us carried them up the stairs.
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Thank you this is helpful. I'm probably going to put in an order tomorrow!
RM's or RT's? Please keep us posted. Good stuff!
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I’m going to go for the RT because I’m the type that will say “what if”

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Here's a photo of my Single 8HT-LP LCR setup, along with close ups of grill vs no grill. It's a bit messy looking, but it's all hidden behind a 130" AT screen during movie watching. The sound from this setup is ridiculous given the size. The receiver gives up long before the speakers do. It's perfect for this size room, despite all my lust for a 212RT or 215RT setup.
Very helpful. Thank you!

I want to go 210RT but it's a bit cost prohibitive and my wife would rather have a built in so... Thinking I may go this route instead.
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Apparently we think the same. That is why I went RT's also. I think you will be amazed to be honest and Jeff is great to deal with!
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Very helpful. Thank you!

I want to go 210RT but it's a bit cost prohibitive and my wife would rather have a built in so... Thinking I may go this route instead.
Have fun.. these speakers sounds amazing for its size. What sub are you gonna run with these?
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Have fun.. these speakers sounds amazing for its size. What sub are you gonna run with these?
I have a JTR Cap 1400 that I purchased about a year ago.
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I have a JTR Cap 1400 that I purchased about a year ago.
Nice.. perfect match. They’ll sound amazing. Just for the hell of it, I remember I ran my Slanted 8’s as LCR with my 4 S2’s. Before they were mounted up ceiling for ATMOS. Not only it sounded big for it sound, but they surly can keep up with what ever subs you run with it. I was really suprised it keep up with the S2’s.
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Has anyone here heard the Triad Gold LCR as well as the JTR 228HT? Obviously this may be a biased user group , being the JTR thread, but I was curious if anyone here had done direct listening comparison b/t these 2?

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Thank you this is helpful. I'm probably going to put in an order tomorrow!
Good call. Mine are just a month old and I love them. I'm also the kind of guy that would say " what if" so I went for the 215RT in a veneer finish. You won't be disappointed. The only speakers I can audition now are bookshelves. I don't see how I can top these. The bass is tremendous . Definitely no subwoofers needed and I have mine on casters so I can move them around easily. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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Good call. Mine are just a month old and I love them. I'm also the kind of guy that would say " what if" so I went for the 215RT in a veneer finish. You won't be disappointed. The only speakers I can audition now are bookshelves. I don't see how I can top these. The bass is tremendous . Definitely no subwoofers needed and I have mine on casters so I can move them around easily. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
Can you post a picture? I have never seen these in a veneer.

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Good call. Mine are just a month old and I love them. I'm also the kind of guy that would say " what if" so I went for the 215RT in a veneer finish. You won't be disappointed. The only speakers I can audition now are bookshelves. I don't see how I can top these. The bass is tremendous . Definitely no subwoofers needed and I have mine on casters so I can move them around easily. Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
WAF came in a big way tonight.. I don't think I can swing the 215s...

It's between the 210RTs and the 212RTs now.

Looking back in previous posts, it seems that the 210 is a favorite around here. @carp loves his 210s.

not much feedbacks on the 212RTs
Is it because the 212RTs are fairly new or is it because the 10" drivers in the 210 that allows it to be ideal in mostly music/stereo listening, hence it gets more mentions.


Either way I'm keeping the pair of F15HPs that I have for the low end.

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WAF came in a big way tonight.. I don't think I can swing the 215s...

It's between the 210RTs and the 212RTs now.

Looking back in previous posts, it seems that the 210 is a favorite around here. @carp loves his 210s.

not much feedbacks on the 212RTs
Is it because the 212RTs are fairly new or is it because the 10" drivers in the 210 that allows it to be ideal in mostly music/stereo listening, hence it gets more mentions.


Either way I'm keeping the pair of F15HPs that I have for the low end.
I think it is because the 212RT is pretty new.

They are pretty large also - you may want to look at the dimensions on those to see if they will pass the WAF. The 210RT’s are pretty small as far as a full range speaker goes.

The 215RM is a lot smaller than the RT - you may be able to get those past the wife.
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Has anyone here heard the Triad Gold LCR as well as the JTR 228HT? Obviously this may be a biased user group , being the JTR thread, but I was curious if anyone here had done direct listening comparison b/t these 2?
Heard the Plats before, along with most of JTR offerings. The biggest undeniable fact is the triads will run out of steam and start compressing WELL before the JTR's do, yielding an incorrect presentation. If you are listening to music/movies loud, or in a larger room, I'd 100% go with the JTR offering. While I actually really liked how the plats sounded up to a certain volume, they lost their composure below a listening level I would frequent so they immediately got crossed of my list. JTR's can run clean to well above reference levels at usual MLP listening distances, so you should never have a worry there.
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Very nice!

I have some 2014 212 HT(R)’s in rosewood veneer and they do a great job.

Is the horn black? It is hard to tell. I am thinking it is, that would be hard to veneer.
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