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BenQ TK800 Announced.

BenQ just announced this model. Some interesting notes from the following article. Appears to be an updated/modified version of the BenQ HT2550. Notable differences are higher brightness and “improved color accuracy”. Color accuracy and contrast are usually a trade off for brightness with single chip DLP designs, hopefully this model will be an exception. Given this is the same price as the HT2550 and being released in April, I’m curious to see what the differences are.
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Benq website says 10K:1 contrast and RGBW color wheel...will be lower in contrast than previous projectors with RGBRGB color wheels and show more rainbows for those sensitive.

I guess the only way to increase lumens without decreasing contrast is using a laser/LED light source, which increases price. If the LED pj market follows the LED light bulb market we should see a significant decrease in cost and increase in production soon. Course, who wants a pj made by "Member's Mark"?
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Bix, I didn’t see your second thread. Reposting this from the other TK800 thread:



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So I'm guessing a few AVS members here might be really interested in this...



BenQ is taking submissions for someone to review their latest projector: the TK800! They ask that you submit pictures of your room as the TK800 is intended for use in living rooms / media rooms where light will be present. If you're interested follow the link below:



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Talked with a BenQ rep that told me a 4k short throw is in the works, and he expects something in April. This is probably the projector the short throw will be based from. I'm guessing.
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Mr Bigins did you get any info on if it’s more towards a 2050 or 2150 throw ratio
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Talked with a BenQ rep that told me a 4k short throw is in the works, and he expects something in April. This is probably the projector the short throw will be based from. I'm guessing.
Probably be a good projector, but unfortunately, these are not 4K.

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Talked with a BenQ rep that told me a 4k short throw is in the works, and he expects something in April. This is probably the projector the short throw will be based from. I'm guessing.
Probably be a good projector, but unfortunately, these are not native 4K.

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Probably be a good projector, but unfortunately, these are not native 4K.
Good thing they aren't or else they'd be 5 grand!


I'm going to be putting up some pictures this weekend in the HT2550 owners thread (the HT2550 is the RGBRGB dark room version of the TK800) comparing the image of these XPR 4K solutions to a conventional 1080p projector using the 4K copy of Planet Earth II as a demonstration piece. The differences are not subtle and while I don't believe a 4K projector is the right choice for everyone I haven't seen too many good examples of just how dramatic the difference are in a real home with real content.
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My first projector 13 years ago was a RGBW color wheel with a power consumption the same as this at around 330w total 240w to the lamp. They are calling this 3000 lumens. I haven’t seen any measurements on color lumens but I’m guessing The combined RGB is about 1200 the rest is coming from the white. Not to say for sports viewing there isn’t benefit to the white to drive up the brightness for improved CR my guess is this will look pretty nice for another 1000 additional lumens so call it 2200 lumens usable. If it is anything like my old RGBW it will keep getting brighter but the colors will get flatter unlike the RGBCYW that get greenish when pushed to hard.

In the spec they claim “>92% Rec.709 coverage”. In the overview they talk about “True 4K HDR for Immersive Live Sports.”

They also talk about “New 4K Color Wheel.”

Good in some ways seeing them go back to basics and market it as the latest thing.

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Good thing they aren't or else they'd be 5 grand!


I'm going to be putting up some pictures this weekend in the HT2550 owners thread (the HT2550 is the RGBRGB dark room version of the TK800) comparing the image of these XPR 4K solutions to a conventional 1080p projector using the 4K copy of Planet Earth II as a demonstration piece. The differences are not subtle and while I don't believe a 4K projector is the right choice for everyone I haven't seen too many good examples of just how dramatic the difference are in a real home with real content.
I wonder how these compare on 4k gaming content. It might be even more impressive than the planet earth.

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I wonder how these compare on 4k gaming content. It might be even more impressive than the planet earth.


Video games might be the biggest benefactor although at 50ms the lag is just Ok. As most 4K tentpole games run at 30fps (Shadow of the Colossus, Horizon: Zero Dawn, uncharted: Lost Legacy) the lag isn’t that pronounced. Tests have shown that most gamers are somewhat oblivious up to around 60ms of lag and I doubt many gamers would be able to detect the difference between 33ms and 16ms. But I’m an absolute lag snob and returning to the 16ms of lag on the HT2050A felt a little like taking off combat boots and replacing them with sneakers— especially on high frame rate games like Doom 2016 and Nier: Automata. I just love the immediacy that a low latency display gives to controller inputs. Still, tackling colossi in Shadow’s 4K cinematic mode is a real treat at the sizes a projector can push.

Don’t get me wrong— I agree that a native solution is an ideal solution. But native solutions are still very expensive and these XPR models do a fantastic job of bringing the sharpness and clarity of 4K content into price ranges a lot more people can afford.

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I am waiting to see how this will perform in a living room scenario. I have tons of ambient light and need something with lots of lumens to battle ambient light during the day. The 2045 I have now is decent but could use a bit more to help. I almost picked up the UHD60 but 60ms is a bit high for how much gaming I do. Are we assuming this one will be in the 50 range? I would must prefer 30s or less
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Looks like TK800 is up for pre-ordering in B&H

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...SABEgKcRfD_BwE
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Hopefully we will see some real world info/testing soon on these. They were slated for April release. Interested to see what the boost in lumens brings

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I am waiting to see how this will perform in a living room scenario. I have tons of ambient light and need something with lots of lumens to battle ambient light during the day. The 2045 I have now is decent but could use a bit more to help. I almost picked up the UHD60 but 60ms is a bit high for how much gaming I do. Are we assuming this one will be in the 50 range? I would must prefer 30s or less
Have you tried a pro cinema projector? I had a Epson Pro-1985 and it had no problem piercing through heavy amounts of ambient light in my condo. It was the brightest projector I have ever owned.
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Have you tried a pro cinema projector? I had a Epson Pro-1985 and it had no problem piercing through heavy amounts of ambient light in my condo. It was the brightest projector I have ever owned.
I have not. Unfortunately the 4k bug has bit me. Otherwise the 3700 would have been my top contender. Dam these 4k projectors becoming somewhat affordable for the average Joe.

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Hopefully we will see some real world info/testing soon on these. They were slated for April release. Interested to see what the boost in lumens brings

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I should have one in hand soon to provide some feedback on... stay tuned...
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I should have one in hand soon to provide some feedback on... stay tuned...
Keep me posted. I am very interested. Right now it's between this and the px747-4k from viewsonic

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Keep me posted. I am very interested. Right now it's between this and the px747-4k from viewsonic

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Have you checked out the HT2550?
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Have you checked out the HT2550?
Just not bright enough unfortunately. We do a lot of parties and football Sundays. Also the wife loves the windows open during the day and the projector is in the living room. We need a super bright mode for during the day. I also use a low gain alr screen so I like to be in the 2000ish range calibrated.

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Got a chance to play around with the TK800 today. So far so good. Virtually identical chassis as the HT2550 with the gray front plate swapped out for the blue.

I will keep you guys posted! Hopefully a thorough review in your hands within a week.

First impressions are good!



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Got a chance to play around with the TK800 today. So far so good. Virtually identical chassis as the HT2550 with the gray front plate swapped out for the blue.

I will keep you guys posted! Hopefully a thorough review in your hands within a week.

First impressions are good!



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Received my review sample yesterday, will hopefully get it set up tomorrow. I'll likely post initial thoughts the day after setup and a full review within a week of that.
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If this resolves the 2550s' issues with 3D, this might be the one for me. Looking forward to the review.
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If this resolves the 2550s' issues with 3D, this might be the one for me. Looking forward to the review.
The HT2550 already resolved the HT2550's issues with 3D.

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If this resolves the 2550s' issues with 3D, this might be the one for me. Looking forward to the review.
The HT2550 already resolved the HT2550's issues with 3D.
SBS, grey borders fixed? Was it via firmware update?
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Really not impressed with it's looks. Blue and white. My god it's fugly. It will stick out like a neon sign in my bat cave. Hopefully it's black levels, contrast and color amaze.
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SBS, grey borders fixed? Was it via firmware update?
1.03 firmware has working 3D. The gray border issue cannot be fixed as it is an aspect of the .47 Texas Instruments DMD that powers this and other affordable 4K projectors such as the Optoma UHD50 and Viewsonic PX727-4K.
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Anyone had a chance to play with these yet?
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