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How long till the Perfect TV? I mention specs

How long till a TV as such is a reality in your opinion?

Micro-LED or Self/Electron-emissive QD

75" at least

12-Bit PQ (16-Bit Gamma)

Capable of 10,000 nits peak brightness (at least 4000)

100% coverage in DCI P3 color gamut (both xy and uv) and 90%-100% coverage in REC 2020 (both xy and uv)

100% Color Volume in DCI P3 and 80-100% REC 2020

Includes Full HDMI 2.1 Spec

8K support and discernable/impressive 8K upscaling


Now I know there is no such thing as a perfect tv since technology is always evolving but other than the unnecessary 8K resolution everything else I mention helps us to utilize the full potential of 4K HDR content which you can bet in a decade will be the new 480p. Then having MicroLED or Self-emitting QD allows us to finally enjoy self-emissive technology without fear of burn-in, low-peak brightness or color degradation (short life-span).
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Then having MicroLED or Self-emitting QD allows us to finally enjoy self-emissive technology without fear of burn-in, low-peak brightness or color degradation (short life-span).

OLED has a much better lifetime than QDEL:



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Although QLED has significant advantages, it also faces many technical problems, such as low-quality blue light, the life of blue light materials cannot be broken, and the printing display equipment and process that can realize mass production of QLED are not mature. Even the QD-OLED technology, which is now widely concerned, uses the blue light emitted by OLED materials to excite red and green light quantum dot materials, which is still the technical route of photoluminescence.

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The red light quantum dot material (T95) can be used continuously for more than 3,000 hours, far exceeding the previous global leading level by 10 times; the green light quantum dot material (T50) can be used continuously for more than 20,000 hours, far exceeding the previous global leading level of 5 times.

Many issues you see with OLEDs are backplane related and not emitter related. You need the same backplane for a QDEL-TV...



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OLED has a much better lifetime than QDEL:









Many issues you see with OLEDs are backplane related and not emitter related. You need the same backplane for a QDEL-TV...



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Fine then but what about MicroLED
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3D runs in cycles. So it will be a little while before a *perfect* TV rolls out. Till then the 2016 E, C, and G Oleds are the closest to perfect TV's ever made. Everybody knows that.
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A TV could have all those specs you listed but if it had crappy uniformity like current highend TVs do, I still wouldn't be really happy with it...
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A TV could have all those specs you listed but if it had crappy uniformity like current highend TVs do, I still wouldn't be really happy with it...
Very true. We have come to expect and accept uniformity issues.

Perfect TV for one might not be for another. I want 8K for true passive 4K 3D. No need for HDR or DV as the TV should be of very high nits naturally, and the movie industry/cameras just need to improve to match. Motion needs high frame rates...but that may depend on the movie industry more than TV manufactures. And I want great uniformity...no banding ect.

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I'm having a real difficult time getting excited for 8k displays. Maybe it's because I'm a fairly recent 4k convert. Maybe it's because I've seen how slow the rollout of native 4k content has been to date. I can't imagine when 8k content will be readily accessible. Maybe I just don't have a clue.

For me, the perfect TV would be any 4k panel that can match OLED contrast, with brighter HDR capability, with perfect uniformity and great low light detail. Oh, and offered in a 75" variant that costs no more than what a good 65" OLED costs today. I have zero need for VRR or eARC or the like. I just want the perfect 4k image.
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Perfect TV exists. It's called the Sony BVM-X300. You just have to win powerball and sit real close.


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Fine then but what about MicroLED

Scales resolution only with size and currently MicroLED is only modular with a complicated alignement (color distortion, visible connection are issues). Do not be fooled by they Samsung marketing. In this form it´s more a prosumer "hand made" product. For TVs it needs to scale only in size and has to be a product on a one sheet of glass substrate and that means same backplane technology like LCD and OLED is needed and than it will be a complete different product and manufacturing process than Samsung showing with TheWall. It´s not there yet and it has to be a long way to mature to a consumer friendly level. At this time OLED will also mature to a different product than today and I guess in a not very long future, style will be a more important factor for J6P than only picture quality (transparent and rollable screens).
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Perfect TV exists. It's called the Sony BVM-X300. You just have to win powerball and sit real close.


Ba. That ain't even 3D.

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Ba. That ain't even 3D.


How dare you anger the OLED gods. Repent now!
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How dare you anger the OLED gods. Repent now!
Never! Only the 2016 3D C6, E6 N G6 are true Oled gods. All other ones are false gods.

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3D runs in cycles. So it will be a little while before a *perfect* TV rolls out. Till then the 2016 E, C, and G Oleds are the closest to perfect TV's ever made. Everybody knows that.

I LOL'ed... and got eyestrain reading that.


Felt like I was using a 3DTV all over again.

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I LOL'ed... and got eyestrain reading that.


Felt like I was using a 3DTV all over again.

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I'm having a real difficult time getting excited for 8k displays. Maybe it's because I'm a fairly recent 4k convert. Maybe it's because I've seen how slow the rollout of native 4k content has been to date. I can't imagine when 8k content will be readily accessible. Maybe I just don't have a clue.

Same. It's been almost a year I've been into 4K OLED and I'm definitely not doing cartwheels over the 8K announcement. When you've got a UHD/1080p disc library like I do (500+ titles, I've spent waaaayyyyy too much money on this) you've seen everything that 4K has to offer and I am just having a hard time believing that 8K is going to be a drastic improvement.


Won't be paying $15k to upscale my discs either while waiting on 8K content.
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The vision is fine... has been since Lasik in 2008. I'll probably need glasses before we see 3D take off again... I mean, if it were so popular they'd still be making them.
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The vision is fine... has been since Lasik in 2008. I'll probably need glasses before we see 3D take off again... I mean, if it were so popular they'd still be making them.
If the majority of folks had seen 3D the way it looks on 4k passive displays (with a properly aligned filter of course) it would not be "dead". But...they did not. Most saw it on other types of displays...and so yes...another moment of silence please...


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That is yesterdays news

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''it will be last time you will see RGB OLED been used as reference monitor. Industry is moving to LCD HDR, the new reference Sony BVM-HX310 LCD 1000 nit monitor will be out at 2019, price is not available yet.''

And stuff like ''the new reference models from FSI XM311K or PROMINENCE CG3145..'' which are dual layer LCDs.
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3D runs in cycles. So it will be a little while before a *perfect* TV rolls out. Till then the 2016 E, C, and G Oleds are the closest to perfect TV's ever made. Everybody knows that.
Man you aren't joking! I finally got 3d setup on my 77g6p.. I didn't really try it before.. its freaking amazing. I have never seen 3d like this before. Its smooth, crisp, clear.. never seen this kind of 3d even in the theater! That and the low game input lag.. Im happy!
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3D runs in cycles. So it will be a little while before a *perfect* TV rolls out. Till then the 2016 E, C, and G Oleds are the closest to perfect TV's ever made. Everybody knows that.
What? Why those TVs? Why not the B6 OLED? why the 2016 and 2017 and 2018 models?
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It's not perfect, that monitor only goes to 1000 nits and has serious ABL. Many lcd tv's easily beat that peak brightness, the OP was saying a 4000 nits tv in his definition of perfect.
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Well let's REALLY define the 'Perfect TV' :


Size = 30-500" ; moving as aspect ratio changes so the screen surface area is the same whether you have 1.44:1, 1.618:1, 1.78:1, 1.85:1, 1.9:1, 2.39:1 or whatever.

Resolutions --> 64K @ 500" | 32K @ 250" | 16K @ 125" | 8K @ 62.5" | 4K @ 31.25"

Colour: 100% of Rec.2020 | 18 bit depth | 100% Colour volume @ 10k | 0 DeltaE errors | 6500.00k

Contrast: Infinity:1 | 0 nit black level | 10,000 nit HDR highlights @ any% window

Misc: 2.200/2.400 gamma | 0 GS errors | 0ms input lag | 480hz refresh rate

Now along with that, the TV also has to have a glasses-free true 3D image with the exact same resolution/contrast/colour/brightness/greyscale/refresh
as the 2D image would have and no crosstalk or any kind of issue. No vignetting, no rainbow effect, no D.S.E. the latest Moth Eye filter which rejects 100% of light featuring VANTA black material (the darkest material on earth), no noise, 100% screen uniformity in white, grey, black or any IRE imaginable.


The year 2049 maybe?
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It's not perfect, that monitor only goes to 1000 nits and has serious ABL. Many lcd tv's easily beat that peak brightness, the OP was saying a 4000 nits tv in his definition of perfect.
Well to be fair I think the 4K 30" RGB OLED Sony BVM-X300 is the absolute #1 best reference display ever made. Apparently Sony's made a 31" successor to it, but its TFT-LCD so I reeeaaally doubt it has surpassed the overall image fidelity of the BVM-X300
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You can wait for the perfect TV. I'm enjoying my OLEDs right now.
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Man you aren't joking! I finally got 3d setup on my 77g6p.. I didn't really try it before.. its freaking amazing. I have never seen 3d like this before. Its smooth, crisp, clear.. never seen this kind of 3d even in the theater! That and the low game input lag.. Im happy!
Shhh...there are many poor unfortunate souls who can never own one. Let them be happy with their HDR and DV...stuff. What they don't know...

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Well let's REALLY define the 'Perfect TV' :


Size = 30-500" ; moving as aspect ratio changes so the screen surface area is the same whether you have 1.44:1, 1.618:1, 1.78:1, 1.85:1, 1.9:1, 2.39:1 or whatever.

Resolutions --> 64K @ 500" | 32K @ 250" | 16K @ 125" | 8K @ 62.5" | 4K @ 31.25"

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Contrast: Infinity:1 | 0 nit black level | 10,000 nit HDR highlights @ any% window

Misc: 2.200/2.400 gamma | 0 GS errors | 0ms input lag | 480hz refresh rate

Now along with that, the TV also has to have a glasses-free true 3D image with the exact same resolution/contrast/colour/brightness/greyscale/refresh
as the 2D image would have and no crosstalk or any kind of issue. No vignetting, no rainbow effect, no D.S.E. the latest Moth Eye filter which rejects 100% of light featuring VANTA black material (the darkest material on earth), no noise, 100% screen uniformity in white, grey, black or any IRE imaginable.


The year 2049 maybe?

If you are going all out, why limit yourself to the rec.2020 color space, 10,000 nit brightness, and 480hz refresh rates?

Why not all the colors humans can perceive (i.e. the entire CIE color space)?
Why not a million nits? Specular highlights can reach hundreds of thousands of nits on a sunny day out in the real world.
Why not 10,000hz+ refresh rates? According to Blur Busters stroboscopic effects are still visible up 10,000hz.


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If you are going all out, why limit yourself to the rec.2020 color space, 10,000 nit brightness, and 480hz refresh rates?

Why not all the colors humans can perceive (i.e. the entire CIE color space)?
Why not a million nits? Specular highlights can reach hundreds of thousands of nits on a sunny day out in the real world.
Why not 10,000hz+ refresh rates? According to Blur Busters stroboscopic effects are still visible up 10,000hz.


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Because there is no content that will ever provide that in our lifetime. He was being mostly realistic.

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Well to be fair I think the 4K 30" RGB OLED Sony BVM-X300 is the absolute #1 best reference display ever made. Apparently Sony's made a 31" successor to it, but its TFT-LCD so I reeeaaally doubt it has surpassed the overall image fidelity of the BVM-X300
Not shure about that. Stuff like that Eizo Prominence monitor takes LCD to another level.

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I have the only perfect tv out there. Others have tv's that may be close, but I got the lone perfect one in the world. Sorry suckas.
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