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If a source device such as a PC manages to output via HDMI port 4K 120fps 8-bit (SDR) 4:2:0, LG marketing team could call it 4K 120fps, even if its just 8-bit SDR, even if the chipset can only do 18Gbps.
Beware of this trick, as it would be just 8-bit SDR.
I doubt LG would risk the backlash of negative publicity in case they resorted to such a stunt. We will see.

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I doubt LG would risk the backlash of negative publicity in case they resorted to such a stunt. We will see.
I think it's telling that a new bandwidth of 48 GB/s wasn't specified anywhere in the press release. We will see, but I'd keep my expectations in check.
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I think it's telling that a new bandwidth of 48 GB/s wasn't specified anywhere in the press release. We will see, but I'd keep my expectations in check.

Watch Vincent Teoh's latest video that came out just after LG's press release.

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It's relevant for PC monitors, not TVs that don't properly support custom resolutions, refresh rates, and/or colors on HDMI 2.0, let alone 2.1.

Practically guarantee these new TVs won't support 4K 120 as a selectable option, and trying to force it from the Nvidia Control Panel or CRU will cause glitches or just fail.

that goes double for manufacturers that use smoke and mirrors and not support the full 48G
1440p 120 Hz isn't an HDMI standard and despite that some TVs still support it. 4k 100 Hz and 4k 120 Hz are both standards so there should be support for those resolutions across the board once full 48gbps HDMI 2.1 is in place.
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I want receivers to continue do hdmi switching, i have 8 hdmi devices currently (and one more in the future to be added) , no tv has 8 hdmi ports, then what would be my solution to use all the devices, have an ugly hdmi switching box hanging off my tv? And the high end receivers dont just do hdmi switching, some of them have great 4k upscaler chips buil in, i know mine does, i convert 1080p to 4k by my receiver than let the lg oled do the upconversion, i find the upscaling a little better than the tv handling it.
i tend to agree with you. i want my tv to do one thing, and one thing only. Have the best image quality i can afford.

it would be an awful shame if i had to choose between picture quality and number of inputs...

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Any HDMI 2.1 cable recommendations? Thought I would get ready with the cables but Google turned up nothing.
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I wonder how much the 65 inch C9 is going to run?





Also, think Sony is going to be stepping up as well?

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Any HDMI 2.1 cable recommendations? Thought I would get ready with the cables but Google turned up nothing.

It hasn't been all that long that we finally started getting certified 18 Gbps HDMI cables. It was at least a year or more after 4K blu-rays started coming to market before full 18 Gpbs bandwidth HDMI cables started to become available. I remember how difficult it was before to find them for a long time. I could be wrong, but I think it might be a while until we start seeing certified 48 Gpbs HDMI cables, especially for longer cable runs of 30 feet or more that a lot of us have.


This might be outdated, but here is some discussion from Blue Jeans Cable about this topic:


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I want the C9 to replace my B6. I’m hoping that the 77 inch prices will come down, because that’s the one I really want. If not, it will be the 65 inch. Also bigger than my current 55 inch.

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Need to see the actual Hz range for VRR. Would love to see 40-120 @4k.
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Watch Vincent Teoh's latest video that came out just after LG's press release.
He's commenting on the same press release we are..unless he has some insider verification?

I just figured full bandwidth is something that LG would have mentioned. Don't mean to be a debbie downer I was under the impression that Full HDMI 2.1 chipsets hadn't even been manufactured yet; which funnily enough, I heard perpetuated by Vincent in his October video. LOL.
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It hasn't been all that long that we finally started getting certified 18 Gbps HDMI cables. It was at least a year or more after 4K blu-rays started coming to market before full 18 Gpbs bandwidth HDMI cables started to become available. I remember how difficult it was before to find them for a long time. I could be wrong, but I think it might be a while until we start seeing certified 48 Gpbs HDMI cables, especially for longer cable runs of 30 feet or more that a lot of us have.


This might be outdated, but here is some discussion from Blue Jeans Cable about this topic:


http://www.bluejeanscable.com/artic...-cable-48g.htm
Old high speed HDMI cables had enough bandwidth for HDMI 2.0. Issues were introduced when people tried long runs with old cables. That's why we got the 'Premium Certified' moniker, so manufactures actually had to test their cables to make sure they passed the full bandwidth at the length advertised.

The old HDMI cable that came with my Wii U was able to pass 18 GB/s.

Of course this release is different, and will require new cables.
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Yes, AMD GPUs since the R9 (2013?) and now some Intel parts can do VRR over HDMI.
OK. Well none I would consider putting in a gaming machine then. Maybe some day. No rush.

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Any HDMI 2.1 cable recommendations? Thought I would get ready with the cables but Google turned up nothing.
The only one of reputable confidence, and which I own, is the one from Belkin:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/H...-hdmi-cable-2m


While it's not connected to any HDMI 2.1 devices, it is connected from my ATV 4K to my LG C7. I get Dolby Vision no problem.

The reason that is important is the ATV 4K uses native 4:4:4 for DV, which requires at least 20Gbps. Therefore, I have no reason to suspect it's not a full fat 48Gbps cable. That and, I figure if it gets Apple's stamp of approval, it's the real deal.
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Any leaked photos yet?

Looks like the design hasn't changed all that much...

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I was under the impression that Full HDMI 2.1 chipsets hadn't even been manufactured yet

Apparently, LG is building their own proprietary chip.
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The only one of reputable confidence, and which I own, is the one from Belkin:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/H...-hdmi-cable-2m


While it's not connected to any HDMI 2.1 devices, it is connected from my ATV 4K to my LG C7. I get Dolby Vision no problem.

The reason that is important is the ATV 4K uses native 4:4:4 for DV, which requires at least 20Gbps. Therefore, I have no reason to suspect it's not a full fat 48Gbps cable. That and, I figure if it gets Apple's stamp of approval, it's the real deal.

Until there are HDMI Premium Certified cables for 48 Gbps, then I wouldn't assume a cable is fully capable of that. The full 48 Gbps capacity requires an entire different cable design than HDMI 2.0 did (same connector though of course).

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The future of receivers will be e-arc with receiver only there for audio processing. The faster we can stop having receivers do video switching, the better.
These already exist, they're called sound bars.

While the idea is good, I don't remember ever seeing any high end audio processors that didn't also do video. We can dream, but I doubt there will be a new segment of high end audio components that connects via eARC and only processes audio. I still want a high end TV that is just a display. If I want apps I'll connect them. I doubt either of us will get our wishes though.

Historically speaking, even back in the days of VHS and Dolby Pro Logic being sent over analog stereo cables, the TV has always limited the audio capabilities if it is the first device in the chain. You had to run the signal to the AVR first and then to the TV or else just send the audio to the AVR and the video to the TV. Of course DRM has inserted itself and given us HDMI which eliminated the latter option unless you want to get some specialized equipment that will split the signal and still answer all of the HDCP protocols in the affirmative.

I'll also point out that it is relatively easy to have more than 3 HDMI devices which would require manually swapping cables, a switching box of some sort, or an AVR that will do the job.
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Until there are HDMI Premium Certified cables for 48 Gbps, then I wouldn't assume a cable is fully capable of that. The full 48 Gbps capacity requires an entire different cable design than HDMI 2.0 did (same connector though of course).
Both Belkin and Apple have sold this cable for over a year with "48Gbps" stated on their sites and on the packaging. Unless they're willing to risk a lawsuit for false advertisement, I'm willing to bet the cable performs as advertised, "Premium Certified" or not.

It at least does 22Gbps, I can tell you that.

In any event, it won't be too much longer before certified cables begin flooding the market.
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Both Belkin and Apple have sold this cable for over a year with "48Gbps" stated on their sites and on the packaging. Unless they're willing to risk a lawsuit for false advertisement, I'm willing to bet the cable performs as advertised, "Premium Certified" or not.

It at least does 22Gbps, I can tell you that.

In any event, it won't be too much longer before certified cables begin flooding the market.

Oddly enough... nowhere on Belkin's website does it state that their cable does "48 Gbps"...

http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-AV10175/

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Apparently, LG is building their own proprietary chip.
Interesting..

But what good does that do if no other devices have that proprietary chip? We'd still be waiting for Receivers/GPUs/BLU-Ray players/Game consoles to support the official HDMI 2.1 chip, because I assume LG won't be supplying it to other companies..

In which case, we'd still be wating until 2020 to take advantage of it.

And god forbid their isn't any handshake issues with non-proprietary chipsets..
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now some Intel parts can do VRR over HDMI.
Only upcoming Intel parts will support VRR, and even then it might not be the next gen parts put the gen after that.

Remember that Intel's architecture has remained unchanged since the release of Skylake in 2015 - the Kaby/Coffeelake refreshes are really just what have traditionally been called a new stepping.


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Keep an eye out for AMD's first ever CES keynote on the 8 9th - supposedly they're going to be revealing some new high performance computing hardware, and there's multiple rumors around that this includes not just 7nm Zen2 CPU & APU stuff but also at least one high-performance GPU.

For reference, the GPU rumors point to performance being at the very least (but could possibly more than) a bit faster than the current Vega 64 with presumably lower power consumption, but then sometime between Q2 2019 and Q4 2020 (no that's not a typo) should be the release of an even faster GPU of unknown performance potential (other than it being even faster that is).
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Keep an eye out for AMD's first ever CES keynote on the 8th - supposedly they're going to be revealing some new high performance computing hardware, and there's multiple rumors around that this includes not just 7nm Zen2 CPU & APU stuff but also at least one high-performance GPU.

For reference, the GPU rumors point to performance being at the very least (but could possibly more than) a bit faster than the current Vega 64 with presumably lower power consumption, but then sometime between Q2 2019 and Q4 2020 (no that's not a typo) should be the release of an even faster GPU of unknown performance potential (other than it being even faster that is).
Assuming whatever card they announce has 2.1. Even then, it probably won't best the 2080ti, which itself is hardpressed to get anywhere close to 4k@120.

Unfortunately, The AMD GPUs have been consistently dissapointing.. I'd love to steer away from Nvidia for my next card if possible.
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Interesting..

But what good does that do if no other devices have that proprietary chip? We'd still be waiting for Receivers/GPUs/BLU-Ray players/Game consoles to support the official HDMI 2.1 chip, because I assume LG won't be supplying it to other companies..

In which case, we'd still be wating until 2020 to take advantage of it.

And god forbid their isn't any handshake issues with non-proprietary chipsets..

Well, maybe "proprietary" wasn't the best terminology to use, meaning that they are just building their own 2.1 chip to install in their tv's and not meaning that the equipment on the other end must use the same LG chip. They would just have to conform to the same 2.1 chip standards. But in saying that, it is quite possible that there may not be any other equipment introduced this year, with full 2.1 chips from other suppliers. Time will tell!

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Assuming whatever card they announce has 2.1. Even then, it probably won't best the 2080ti, which itself is hardpressed to get anywhere close to 4k@120.
Even if full HDMI 2.1 support is missing, I can't imagine it not having support for HDMI 2.1's VRR considering that it was AMD themselves that pioneered having variable refresh over HDMI.

Besides, it's not like a 2080Ti has HDMI 2.1 either and it obviously lacks VRR over HDMI.

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Fully agreed, and some of the rumors point to this reveal being a sort of a revamping and "fresh start" for the GPU side. Performance might not be at 2080TI levels (at least not yet), but it's looking like it very much won't be a case of 2080 performance with 2x SLI 2080Ti power consumption either.
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Both Belkin and Apple have sold this cable for over a year with "48Gbps" stated on their sites and on the packaging. Unless they're willing to risk a lawsuit for false advertisement, I'm willing to bet the cable performs as advertised, "Premium Certified" or not.

It at least does 22Gbps, I can tell you that.

In any event, it won't be too much longer before certified cables begin flooding the market.

It was crazy the amount of HDMI cables that advertised 18 Gbps back before Premium Certified cables were available. They were all over the place and it turned out almost all of them didn't actually have that bandwidth. I know because I bought several of them from Monoprice hoping to get ahead of the curve when I was building out my room about 3 years ago and then I had to replace them with Premium Certified cables once I upgraded to full 4K. There doesn't seem to be much pressure to have accurate advertising in the cable world.
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Hoping with all the 8K innovations it will transpose to better upscaling and motion capabilities. A lot of content is still less than 1080P and compressed digital formats.

Alpha 9 gen 2 does sound promising but need the software as well.
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