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Why no 50 inch OLED?

Is there a reason OLED screens are 55 inches or larger?
I want a 48-50 inch screen to avoid wall-mounting
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Is there a reason OLED screens are 55 inches or larger?
I want a 48-50 inch screen to avoid wall-mounting
You sure a 55 is too big but a 50 would fit? Anyway, I've wondered the same - we have 10" tablets with high res OLED screens and the whole device costs under $500, but they're dragging their feet on making 13-15" laptop screens or better sitll, a 27" PC monitor. I think only LG knows why they're only making large displays and not smaller ones.

Its not like Plasmas where you can only make the pixels so small, so a plasma TV smaller than 32" just isn't feasible. We already have tiny OLED devices and they're not expensive.

If I were to speculate, it might be be cause its already a premium product and therefore they expect to only attract people who also want a premium size, i.e. 55" and above. 40-42" is basically the standard TV size now, but its a bit underwhelming for high quality bluray/4k presentation unless you sit rather close to it. I'd love to think they'd sell a ton of 1080p 42" oled TVS for like $1400 or so, but the people in the market for a 42" tv are looking at $250 chinese LCDs, not high quality oleds, and the people who areo k with spending >$1000 on a TV don't want to downsize to do it and they probably already have a >=55" LCD, plasma, or projection display of some sort.
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Is there a reason OLED screens are 55 inches or larger?
I want a 48-50 inch screen to avoid wall-mounting
Your question can be rephrased to why there is no full lineup of OLED sizes made? The answer is that OLED TVs are expensive to make, manufacturing capabilities are still limited and competition from the LCD is tough. The only way to push OLED is thus to concentrate on more profitable segment which means bigger sizes, that is also related to 4K which makes little sense with small sizes. 55" is a sweetspot: it is perceived as 'smallest big' but it is not too big to raise the price too much and it fits well into the current OLED lineup of big sizes 55", 65", 77". At some point OLEDs with smaller sizes should appear but it is hard to say exactly when. Some recent signals tell that first smaller OLED TVs might be even demonstrated at the CES'16 in a coupld of weeks time but this will not mean they will arrive in shops soon.
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The mfg. cost of 50-inch OLEDs on existing substrates is the same as that of 55-inch OLEDs. They'd sell for less but cost as much to build. Ergo, they don't exist.
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I'd love if they made OLED between 40-50 inches. I have to reluctantly downgrade from a 55" Panasonic VT60 plasma to something smaller for my new house, but everything in that size bracket is just so much worse in picture quality I am going to loathe it. A 46" OLED would be the sweet spot.
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I am sure in time they will. They will have too if they want it to be truly successful. I am glad it at least goes to 55 though because that's the size I want to upgrade too. I will never go under 50 inches again, and think 55 would just be perfect for my room.
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I'd love if they made OLED between 40-50 inches. I have to reluctantly downgrade from a 55" Panasonic VT60 plasma to something smaller for my new house, but everything in that size bracket is just so much worse in picture quality I am going to loathe it. A 46" OLED would be the sweet spot.
Is this a width problem or weight problem?

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Is this a width problem or weight problem?
The width. The distance the couch will be from the screen is simply too close for a 55" screen - IMAX is great but not for daily TV viewing.
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The width. The distance the couch will be from the screen is simply too close for a 55" screen - IMAX is great but not for daily TV viewing.
One could argue that 55" + no overscan would give you extremely similar size as 50" + overscan...
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One could argue that 55" + no overscan would give you extremely similar size as 50" + overscan...
Yeah ideally a 46" TV would be needed.
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everything in that size bracket is just so much worse in picture quality I am going to loathe it.
Can't help it. The Chinese panels practically rule that size bracket and competition is very, very fierce with most buyers being extremely price-sensitive rather than quality-sensitive.
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Is there a reason OLED screens are 55 inches or larger?
I want a 48-50 inch screen to avoid wall-mounting
My guess is just about any tv looks good when they are small - e.g. 50" or less. The bigger the TV the better the quality you would want. Nothing against them making little TVs but it would be nice if we finally saw a 95" OLED. I don't think they even have an estimated delivery date for the 77"
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^I wholeheartedly disagree. Even at 32", LCDs glow brightly and have a laughable contrast ratio performance as a result.
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I'm in the club of home office/game room people who are size limited. I'd love an OLED for PC/home theater use even with the chance of burn in but alas no one makes a 49"/50" OLED.
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If you want a 50", buy a 55". Is 5" going to change anything?
This kind of in-between size niche is very unlikely to ever get filled. The only way it will happen is if 50" tile better than 55" on a new sheet size.

The 30"-38" niche, OTOH, may well end up being filled with some displays. But currently only LG has a low-cost technology that will be price-competitive at most sizes.
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The width. The distance the couch will be from the screen is simply too close for a 55" screen - IMAX is great but not for daily TV viewing.
Projector aficionados on AVS are probably laughing here.

No way a 55 inch TV compares to IMAX unless you're sitting less than two feet away.

Sorry about you not being able to find a 50 inch OLED, I agree with others here you're probably better off looking for LCD if you need that exact size. I would just get the 55 inch and get used to it. Or move the couch back a foot.
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FACT: No matter what size tv you have, 1-2 weeks later, you will have wished you bought a bigger one.


My previous tv was a 50". It sits inside of an entertainment system with columns left and right. I wanted to get a 55" OLED so I wouldn't have to spread apart the columns and leave a gap between the columns and the main cabinet section. But, I didn't think that a 5" upgrade was all that great. If I'm going to upgrade, let's do it right. Again, you'll always wish you bought bigger AFTER THE FACT.



The physically biggest tv I could fit, without speading the columns, would be a 60" diagonal. But alas, they don't make those in OLED. Not in LG. So, I broke down and spread open the columns to the entertainment system by about 2" on each side. It's not bad and the wife can live with it. So, I bought the 65"



My couch sits exactly 10 feet away. The 65" seems perfect. I can honestly say, that this is the first time I wished I got the larger tv. The 65" at 10 feet away, is perfect. (For me)


As said by others, less than a 55" simply isn't worth it economically by the company. At current prices, there's a small niche of customers who buy OLED. Most people buy LCD/LED and they spend LESS than $1,000. Those who are willing to spend $1600, $2500, $3500.... $10,000 for their tv; PROBABLY have a good AVR, Surround, ATMOS/DTSX, etc. They have a REAL HOME THEATER. Yes, there are a few gamers and people where money isn't that important, and they'll buy an OLED. But the majority of those who spend this kind of money on a TV, have the room and setup for a 55-77" tv. The real Videophile wouldn't want a 46"-50".



I'm talking about the majority. There are exceptions to all rules. Some people who were big into video/home theater, are forced to down size to a smaller house/room and they can't fit a 65"+ tv. But because of the price of OLED, the majority willing to spend this kind of money, have the room and want bigger. If the price comes down, and they can build a 46" for $600-$800, there might be a market. But most people aren't videophiles. Most simply buy the biggest tv they can afford; which is almost always LESS than $1,000.
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FACT: No matter what size tv you have, 1-2 weeks later, you will have wished you bought a bigger one.

It's actually fiction. BB was smart enough to put the 55" above the 65" on the wall... and one look was all it took for me to get the 65". (See attached)

The #1 cause of buyer's remorse is screen size. I spent the extra money to make sure I avoided that problem.


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My couch sits exactly 10 feet away. The 65" seems perfect. I can honestly say, that this is the first time I wished I got the larger tv. The 65" at 10 feet away, is perfect. (For me)
I sit 5-8 ft away... and the 65" is perfect. No desire at all for a 77" panel even if the price difference was comparable to 55" vs 65".
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There will be smaller sizes for 2019...along with a larger (85"?) 8K model. Be patient.
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I think there is a huge niche for panels under 50". And if LGD is smart, they will take advantage of it. Some households(ex: places like New York and Tokyo) where space is limited, can only get televisions that are 50" and under. Televisions makers don't even have high-end televisions at these sizes anymore and there are plenty of people missing out who would otherwise buy them, if not for the overwhelming larger sizes compared to their living space.

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There’s definitely a large niche for TVs under 50”. Just not TVs under 50” that cost $1000. Watch the people looking for a tv at Best Buy, sams, Costco, Walmart, target, etc. Most of them walk in with a dollar amount. Most can’t spell OLED, let alone understand the technology. With displays in stores set to Burn mode, the average person looks at most TVs as looking close to the same.

If the average person is looking at a 47-50” tv, lcd/led for $400-$450 and an OLED for $1000-$1200, the average person is going to take the $400-$450 tv.

Is there a niche for a 47-50” OLED tv? Yes. But it’s a very small niche. If the average person has $1000-$1200 to spend on a tv, and the money is important to them, they are looking at the 70-75” LED/LCD. UNTIL their wife says “we don’t need a tv that big”. And most will settle for the 55-65 “ tv that costs $600-$700. And they’ll get their Visio, sharp, lg, Samsung, etc. and they will be very happy.

Discussions like this are difficult to have. The AVERAGE person isn’t on a forum like this. The AVERAGE person just buys a tv and watches it with whatever built in modes look best for them. Half the terms we use on this forum, the average person has never heard of.

Is there a market for 47-50” OLED? Yes. But it’s a very small market.

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I do have a question for the OP. You said you wanted the 47-50” to avoid wall mounting? I don’t understand that. I have a 65” and it’s not wall mounted. Most of the TVs I see in peoples houses I visit, are not wall mounted. No matter what the size is. My neighbor has a 75” Vizio. It’s not wall mounted.

Just curious.

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Thx. Should pay more attention to these little details. Lol

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I want a 49"/50" OLED for our bedroom... I can't seem to find any argument for this use case... just the garbage arguments above...

OLED is perfect for the bedroom:

1.) Screen is not nearly as bright as LED so its not blinding while trying to sleep with partner.
2.) Viewing is generally done in pitch dark room so that Punch of the HDR shines through with no reflections/ambient light
3.) In my case viewing angle is >30 degrees
4.) Not gaming (and generally not watching news) so burn-in risk is lower

I don't need a gigantic TV for the bedroom I just want the Punchy HDR and inky blacks in a smaller form factor. The MFGs need to figure out the pricing and bring it to market already.

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Well with the current production method, LG I believe has said making a 50" would cost exactly the same as making a 55", so they are not going to bother because the market for a 50" costing the same as a 55" isn't going to be there. Maybe in the future their production system will change that they will find a way to make a smaller size that is cheaper in which case there could be a market for it.

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When the new rollable OLED screens come out, you can just hang it like a projector screen from the studs. You could set it up away from the wall for a closer view, like at the end of the bed.
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looks like not much has changed in the market this year, I'm looking for a TV that is 48" wide max and it looks like there's still no OLED available.
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looks like not much has changed in the market this year, I'm looking for a TV that is 48" wide max and it looks like there's still no OLED available.
Possibly the 8k 88" set could pave the way for 4k 49" sets over the next few years. I guess we will have to wait and see how those production prices stack up to see if and when it becomes feasible.
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