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when i try to import the file, the only files i see are the javs ones, which i dont want, i can see the jvc files if i search for them, but they dont seem to be where they are suppose to be when i hit the import button....

are they to remain zipped ? i accidently hit a javs curve and it seemed to unzip and load it, i exitted out before it was uploaded to the pj
All curves need to be unzipped before they can be loaded.
When they are unzipped, do they then go into the correct folder, when i hit the import button a page appears, but the two jvc files aren’t there....just the two javs files, i think the 1200 and 4000nits.....

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When they are unzipped, do they then go into the correct folder, when i hit the import button a page appears, but the two jvc files aren’t there....just the two javs files, i think the 1200 and 4000nits.....
What exactly do you mean by "jvc files" vs "javs files"? The custom curves including those from Javs can be in either .conf format (using Arve's Tool), or .jgd format (using Autocal).
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Hi guys. Can I hear some of your throw distances and screen sizes and if you are 1.75-2x zoom, are you plenty happy with the brightness you are achieving?
My projector is about 15 feet away from a 136” 2.35:1 screen (144” 16:9 equivalent) and looks fantastic in low lamp for regular Blu-ray content.

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My projector is about 15 feet away from a 136” 2.35:1 screen (144” 16:9 equivalent) and looks fantastic in low lamp for regular Blu-ray content.
Thanks dreamliner. My lens ended about 16'9" from a 140" 2.35. I suspect I'll be ok.

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Hooking up the new UB820 to my RS400 tomorrow that arrived today. Pretty excited about it!! I’ll report back tomorrow.

And I’ll be doing Custom 1 Gama and 2.4, correct Dreamliner? I have the Javs 85nit on the import 1 just as you do, so I’ll switch between import and 2.4. Just checking.


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Hooking up the new UB820 to my RS400 tomorrow that arrived today. Pretty excited about it!! I’ll report back tomorrow.

And I’ll be doing Custom 1 Gama and 2.4, correct Dreamliner? I have the Javs 85nit on the import 1 just as you do, so I’ll switch between import and 2.4. Just checking.
Yes, that is correct. Gamma correction value is 2.4 for the UB820 and 'IMPORT' for custom curves. Be sure to turn on SDR on the UB820:

Settings>HDMI>Advanced Settings>HDR/Color Gamut Output>SDR/BT.2020
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Can i use the javs curves, i tryed the 1200 and 4000, the jgd files. they loaded, i watched the progress. I then followed the rest of the instructions, threw in Antman, set the 4K player to 2160. I couldnt get a picture til a switched to 24 instead of 60 on the player, its a cheap LG player.

i still find i dont have the pop i get from the 1080p version...... I see tons of detail, its crisp, but seems dull.

In HighLamp mode different story, Wow is all i can say, best picture yet on this PJ I may have to get back in the hushbox business, unless i can get this kind of brightness in LowLamp mode. Very loud fan noise....

Just to be clear, im using the JVC calibrator, will it send any curve to my PJ

Thank you Dreamliner and Dom for your patience, no doubt now if i can do it anyone can :0)

Gamma goes back to D everytime i power down i've read ??

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Just to be clear, im using the JVC calibrator, will it send any curve to my PJ
It will send any curve in the .jgd format. There are curves in the .conf format; for those you’ll have to use Arve’s Tool.

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The projector switches back to Gamma D every time it receives an HDR “flag” from the source. You can still use the “optimized Gamma D” settings to cover those situations, until you manually switch it back to the custom curve.

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It will send any curve in the .jgd format. There are curves in the .conf format; for those you’ll have to use Arve’s Tool.

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The projector switches back to Gamma D every time it receives an HDR “flag” from the source. You can still use the “optimized Gamma D” settings to cover those situations, until you manually switch it back to the custom curve.
I didn’t notice a huge difference between the three curves, is this odd ? Im more of an audio part of hometheater than video, but now i have ventured over......

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I didn’t notice a huge difference between the three curves, is this odd ? Im more of an audio part of hometheater than video, but now i have ventured over......
Which three curves, specifically?
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I believe it was the 1200 and 4000

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I believe it was the 1200 and 4000
Javs curves are for 85 nits peak. The curves within a “set” differ mainly in how they clip the highlights. Which one is the third?

To see a noticeable difference in brightness you need to compare curves with different peak whites (e.g., 85 nits instead of 120 nits). I have curves for 60, 80, 120 nits.

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I didn’t notice a huge difference between the three curves, is this odd ? Im more of an audio part of hometheater than video, but now i have ventured over......
Glad you were able to get the curves loaded. I knew you could do it!

The differences between the curves are not huge. The biggest difference you will see is from Gamma D to any of the premade curves. Be sure your correction value is on IMPORT!
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I have curves for 60, 80, 120 nits.
Are those curves your “design”.

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Glad you were able to get the curves loaded. I knew you could do it! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]

The differences between the curves are not huge. The biggest difference you will see is from Gamma D to any of the premade curves. Be sure your correction value is on IMPORT!
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Are those curves your “design”.
I don’t claim to be a great “designer” of curves, but yes, I created them for people who prefer brighter pictures.
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I don’t claim to be a great “designer” of curves, but yes, I created them for people who prefer brighter pictures.
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Some of the the curves are in both .conf and .jgd. The ones with black compensation are only in .jgd format
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Yes, see link in my signature.
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One question about the RS400, in "picture settings", are all the settings ( besides Gamma D ) saved in the User Mode when im done doing some adjustment ?

I understand that settings like "Ceiling mount" have to be Global......

I also have a Zoom system 2.35:1 screen, i have at least four different Lens memories set up, i may be running out of Lens setting with having one 185:1, and four 235:1......I mite just go with a 16:9 screen and be done with 235:1, too many sources with different lenths and heights.

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One question about the RS400, in "picture settings", are all the settings ( besides Gamma D ) saved in the User Mode when im done doing some adjustment ?

I understand that settings like "Ceiling mount" have to be Global......

I also have a Zoom system 2.35:1 screen, i have at least four different Lens memories set up, i may be running out of Lens setting with having one 185:1, and four 235:1......I mite just go with a 16:9 screen and be done with 235:1, too many sources with different lenths and heights.
If you follow my guide, one of the steps covers this (every question you've asked has been answered in the guide, I even linked to Dominic's Curves). When you press the User Mode first, then change the picture mode settings, it will remember those settings and recall them the next time you press that button. I have a User Mode for HD, 4K & 3D.

Lens Memory and Masking are separate. I have a 136" 2.35:1 screen and have Lens Memory for 1.78:1, 2.40:1, 1.85:1, 2.35:1 & 2:00:1. I've been using 2.40:1 for even 2.35:1 content though. These memory modes cover 99% of content because they double up. Old 4:3 shows is just 1.78:1, etc. I find the 'vertical bars' of unprojected space on a 2.35:1 screen far less distracting than horizontal bars. I also like that most of my movie content is bigger than my TV content. It's also nice that a lot of the new Netflix & Paramount Network shows are 2.00:1 so they appear bigger as well. All of that 'wide content' translates to a smaller projected image on a 1.78:1 screen. Usually people end up with a wider 2.35:1 screen than if they bought a 1.78:1 screen. I guess it sort of depends on your physical wall/ceiling limitations. If you haven't bought a screen yet, get the biggest one that fits. No replacement for displacement and nobody ever wants a smaller screen.

My Screen is 136" 2.35:1
My 'TV' content is 108" (1.78:1/16x9)
My Widescreen 'Movie' content is equivalent to 144" (144" 1.78:1/16x9 screen = 136" 2.35:1 projected image)

I went to a friends house and watched a 2.35:1 movie on his 55" plasma, it was so tiny and terrible. Amazing to hear me say that since I grew up on a 25" cabinet TV (Although the height of that TV was still taller than the 55" plasma playing widescreen content).

10 years ago I used a 54" Plasma as my main TV, I have no idea how I survived.
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One question about the RS400, in "picture settings", are all the settings ( besides Gamma D ) saved in the User Mode when im done doing some adjustment ?

I understand that settings like "Ceiling mount" have to be Global......

I also have a Zoom system 2.35:1 screen, i have at least four different Lens memories set up, i may be running out of Lens setting with having one 185:1, and four 235:1......I mite just go with a 16:9 screen and be done with 235:1, too many sources with different lenths and heights.
If you follow my guide, one of the steps covers this (every question you've asked has been answered in the guide, I even linked to Dominic's Curves). When you press the User Mode first, then change the picture mode settings, it will remember those settings and recall them the next time you press that button.
So i go through my three user buttons, that have the three new curves and change the three bright gamma’s i got from Doms signature for each, it will remember to change the Gamma, one less step :0/

And for my sd/hd on user4, the same ?

Nice....

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I have a weird problem with an imported gamma curve (saved as Custom 1)
Everything is fine when I'm watching a UHD movie and manually change gamma from the default D to Custom 1
But when I'm watching a 4K HDR movie in iTunes Store on the Apple TV 4K the projector exits Custom 1 and reverts to gamma D
The imported gamma curve is much better… so what can I do?
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I have a weird problem with an imported gamma curve (saved as Custom 1)
Everything is fine when I'm watching a UHD movie and manually change gamma from the default D to Custom 1
But when I'm watching a 4K HDR movie in iTunes Store on the Apple TV 4K the projector exits Custom 1 and reverts to gamma D
The imported gamma curve is much better… so what can I do?
This issue is specific to the ATV and only affects some shows. You can get an HD Fury Linker to block the HDR metadata, or manually switch back to custom gamma (which may not be practical, depends on how frequently it happens).

To make the show “more watchable” in Gamma D, you can try the settings I suggest (see the Optimizing HDR link in my signature)
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Official JVC DLA-RS400 (X550/X5000) Owner's Thread

I’m using Sony X800 with my RS400 projecting onto a 158” 16x9 Spandex screen. While very impressed with the picture, I wanted to try to 4K guide by @Dreamliner and wanted to share that the guide is easy to follow and I could actually load up the 3 gamma curves recommended in the guide. Since I’m not familiar with all the technical jargon, I just blindly followed the instructions. Also, thanks to @Javs @Manni01 and @Dominic Chan for sharing the files.


@Dreamliner you mention in previous posts that in your personal setup, you have user 1 for HD, user 2 for 4K, and user 3 for 3D. Would you mind sharing your settings for each of those user modes? For example on User 3 for 3D what color profile and gamma curve do you use?

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I’m using Sony X800 with my RS400 projecting onto a 158” 16x9 Spandex screen. While very impressed with the picture, I wanted to try to 4K guide by @Dreamliner and wanted to share that the guide is easy to follow and I could actually load up the 3 gamma curves recommended in the guide. Since I’m not familiar with all the technical jargon, I just blindly followed the instructions. Also, thanks to @Javs @Manni01 and @Dominic Chan for sharing the files.

@Dreamliner you mention in previous posts that in your personal setup, you have user 1 for HD, user 2 for 4K, and user 3 for 3D. Would you mind sharing your settings for each of those user modes? For example on User 3 for 3D what color profile and gamma curve do you use?

Appreciate your time and help.
I'm glad the guide worked out for you. I wrote it specifically with someone like yourself in mind. All the information you need to get the job done without having to search around the forum. Now you can settle in to the curve you like best.

As for the User Modes this is what I ended up with, pretty basic. I used to play a lot more with Iris and could stand to bring it to -8ish for 1.78:1 content (108" on my 136" 2.35:1 screen) but I like the brightness. In the rare case I stream, I'm currently using a JAVS V3 Curve (I forget which one specifically). For 99.9% of my 4K consumption I have a Panasonic UB820 which has built in Tone Mapping/SDR2020 Conversion which means it will take a 4K HDR disc and spit out a glorious 4K SDR image while maintaining the BT.2020 Wide Color Gamut. This looks even better than the loaded curve; and because the projector never gets an HDR signal, it never defaults to Gamma D, ever. I singularly recommend the UB820 because of this. 4K SDR2020 Conversion with the UB820 is glorious and the way 4K should have been from the start, everything you expect from HD Blu-ray with MORE color, MORE resolution MORE pop and zero hassle. No dark discs, no messing with Gamma, just awesome sauce.

User 1 (HD): Rec-709 Picture Mode (custom named), Rec-709NF Color Profile (I got it on here but the link expired, I'd use the built in Cinema Picture Mode & Cinema Color Profile otherwise), Clear Black Off, Low Lamp, Iris 0, Gamma Normal, CMD Off, Motion Enhance Off.

User 2 (4K): 4K Picture Mode (custom named), BT.2020 Color Filter (From JVC in my guide), Clear Black Off, High Lamp, Iris 0, Gamma IMPORT JAVSV3 (for streaming content) or Gamma 2.4 (UB820 set to SDR2020 conversion on for disc content), CMD Off, Motion Enhance Off.

User 3 (3D): 3D Cinema Picture Mode (default name), 3D Color Profile, Clear Black Off, High Lamp, Iris 0, Gamma Normal, CMD Off, Motion Enhance Off.

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Thanks for that additional details on the settings @Dreamliner

Here are a couple of before and after shots from MMFR. Custom 1 gamma here was the Java 1200nits v3.

Is this the improvement I should expect in brightness and detail? I still need to confirm one more time if all the other settings you shared with respect to lamp, iris etc. match.






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