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I'm not talking about the sound design, yes it is similar in that regard, but mainly the bass and dynamics, which is consistent in the original, and all over on the sequel. The opening "Underminer" sequence is a prime example. I wouldn't say night and day difference, that would be "How to Train Your Dragon" 1&2, but certainly noticeable.

Interesting and appreciate/respect your thoughts as always. I will take note of what your talking about next watch.
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Incredibles 2 basically drops off a cliff after 30Hz,
The Original was much less severe and even had a hefty LFE/ULF spike at ~13Hz

But Both benefit nicely with a few BassEQ tweaks...

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I tried searching as well and only found the streaming version. So I went to bluray.com, found it there and used that link.
It's on Amazon, it just doesn't come up automatically if you search for "Incredibles 2". You have to add "UHD Blu-Ray" or something like that. Tricksy Amazon!

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Incredibles 2 basically drops off a cliff after 30Hz,
The Original was much less severe and even had a hefty LFE/ULF spike at ~13Hz

But Both benefit nicely with a few BassEQ tweaks...

Dashed line is pre-BEQ

SpectoGraph shows Post BEQ left/Pre BEQ right
Which spike are you talking about? Is it when Mr. Incredible hurls the pod car at the two unsuspecting guards? Either way, that's one of my favorite demo scenes with respect to dynamics. Everybody who sees that scene at my house erupts into giddy laughter at that impact.
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Which spike are you talking about? Is it when Mr. Incredible hurls the pod car at the two unsuspecting guards? Either way, that's one of my favorite demo scenes with respect to dynamics. Everybody who sees that scene at my house erupts into giddy laughter at that impact.
The faint, way-off-in-the-distance grunt that he makes as he throws the car makes the impact sound even better. Love that scene.
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Which spike are you talking about? Is it when Mr. Incredible hurls the pod car at the two unsuspecting guards? Either way, that's one of my favorite demo scenes with respect to dynamics. Everybody who sees that scene at my house erupts into giddy laughter at that impact.
I was referencing the green line "Spike" on the PvA Graph that indicates the Frequency peak output is around 13Hz.

The Spectrum Graph (purple to orange to yellow) shows the Hot Spots for the entire movie, Yellow being the hottest.
The Time stamps are in the left hand margin (Start of the movie at the bottom, end of the movie at the top.)

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I was referencing the green line "Spike" on the PvA Graph that indicates the Frequency peak output is around 13Hz.

The Spectrum Graph (purple to orange to yellow) shows the Hot Spots for the entire movie, Yellow being the hottest.
The Time stamps are in the left hand margin (Start of the movie at the bottom, end of the movie at the top.)
So does that mean the 13Hz spike you are talking about happens at about 1:27:00 into the film?

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Which spike are you talking about? Is it when Mr. Incredible hurls the pod car at the two unsuspecting guards? Either way, that's one of my favorite demo scenes with respect to dynamics. Everybody who sees that scene at my house erupts into giddy laughter at that impact.
No, that scene is around the 58:00 mark

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So does that mean the 13Hz spike you are talking about happens at about 1:27:00 into the film?
Close, I believe its chapter 24 ....Jungle Fight scene 1:28:45

Right before this frame appears...


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Just did an A-B comparison of the UHD and Blu-ray.

Have to say the UHD is at least 15% darker than the Blu-ray. Blacks are deep, there is a touch more glossy look. and colours looking more realistic but overall this looks disappointing as I don't remember this looking dark in the Cinemas.

Also HDR usage on the scenes I sampled seemed to virtually non-existent.

Looks like Disney really dropped the ball as I thought Incredibles 1 UHD looked better than its Blu-ray counterpart.

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Just did an A-B comparison of the UHD and Blu-ray.

Have to say the UHD is at least 15% darker than the Blu-ray. Blacks are deep, there is a touch more glossy look. and colours looking more realistic but overall this looks disappointing as I don't remember this looking dark in the Cinemas.

Also HDR usage on the scenes I sampled seemed to virtually non-existent.

Looks like Disney really dropped the ball as I thought Incredibles 1 UHD looked better than its Blu-ray counterpart.

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hdtv316, I played the UHD version as well and it seemed crazy dark/dim whatever. When you have a chance, would you take a snapshot of the same frame of UHD vs BR? I'd love to see the difference. Thank you much!
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hdtv316, I played the UHD version as well and it seemed crazy dark/dim whatever. When you have a chance, would you take a snapshot of the same frame of UHD vs BR? I'd love to see the difference. Thank you much!
I now wish I had my other UHD player as it could have easily snapped by simply switching inputs. Now that I am stuck with a single player, it is going to take a bit of time to freeze frame and take pictures.

But I can assure you that the UHD is quite noticeably darker with limited HDR pop.

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The audio is nowhere as good as the original was, which was reportedly "disneyfied" as well for the 4 k version. Sorry but raising the MV won't fix anything in this regard , as this is a mixing issue not an encoding one. In the old audio thread I would put this into Tier 1 or two steps below reference.

Agreed ^^

Watched this last night on UHDBR, the Atmos sound mix and LFE were superb at times. Truly the overhead speakers definitely added to the audio immersion here, at times.
Key is “at times”
Fun movie still, we will watch it again with cousins over thanksgiving.

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Wife and I watched this and really enjoyed it. Like others the UHD picture was a bit dark, so I added +1 to Dynamic Range Adjustment in the HDR optimizer in the UB820. That seemed to take care of it (might have been +2 it's been a while). I realize we shouldn't have to do it, but if you have that player I'd suggest bumping it.

Audio wise it is typical of recent Disney releases. Needed about a +3dB boost on our setup. It's still mystifying why Disney has been plagued by these audio dynamics issues. The boost helps, but doesn't solve the underlying problem.

Movie wise we really liked it. The first movie is my favorite Pixar title and this is a worthy sequel.

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I'm afraid I don't get this passage:


"Incredibles 2 is rendered from a 2K DI and up-converted to 4K. In terms of resolution the differences are apparent as there is a noticeably finer texture in the minutia, especially in the characteristics/physical makeup of the characters."


If it's 2K upconverted to 4K, how can it display "finer texture" when compared to BluRay, which is native 2K? You can get, maybe, less aliased diagonal lines with good upscaling but "finer texture" requires more information, which upscaling cannot generate, as far as I know it.
Others have answered this, but 2K DI is effectively uncompressed 2,048 x 1,080 vs. BluRay's H.264 1920x1080p. Slight increase in resolution + higher bandwidth compression in a superior codec (HVEC) = UHD presents finer texture detail. The difference isn't as obvious as you see on a "true" 4K master, but it's there and its noticeable.
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3D + UHD double dip

I finally watched this last night.. 2 times

Once in 4K and again in 3D. The 3D was excellent!! All the chase scenes were a blast. The 3D BD is an inexpensive import from Amazon UK & region free.

great movie, I really enjoyed this follow up.

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I finally watched this last night.. 2 times

Once in 4K and again in 3D. The 3D was excellent!! All the chase scenes were a blast. The 3D BD is an inexpensive import from Amazon UK & region free.

great movie, I really enjoyed this follow up.

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We finally got a chance to watch this last night what a fun film. I enjoyed it just as much as the first.

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Others have answered this, but 2K DI is effectively uncompressed 2,048 x 1,080 vs. BluRay's H.264 1920x1080p. Slight increase in resolution + higher bandwidth compression in a superior codec (HVEC) = UHD presents finer texture detail. The difference isn't as obvious as you see on a "true" 4K master, but it's there and its noticeable.
My understanding is a 2K DI is actually 2560x1440. Also that is for special effects no the whole movie. Most said if filmed high enough most of the movie is 4K not 2K like they do for Special effects.

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While, I did find this movie very different from the first one. It took a little while, to get all the previous character's, and some new ones going. But once it was going, it was a fun ride. I did enjoy-it a lot, and do not regret getting-it.

Very nice picture, as expected from an animation movie.
Sound was, the side and rear surrounds were spot, so was the overall sound integration from the front stage, and the bass (notice, I do not mention Atmos for ceiling. Read on for the why).

While trying to get my player to load my 4K copy, in my dark room. The movie would not load-up, so after 5 minutes or so. I eject-it, only then I discover that a second disk was under (the BD one [if buying a 4K movie, this practice of double stacking disk, should be done on the BD and extra disk, not the 4K one]) And therefore, forgot to turn my second amp On, that is behind a wall I bet the full glory Atmos sound would have added a lot, to sound that was very good in surrounds.


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My understanding is a 2K DI is actually 2560x1440. Also that is for special effects no the whole movie. Most said if filmed high enough most of the movie is 4K not 2K like they do for Special effects.
The standard DI for a 2K DCP is a horizontal resolution of 2048. The vertical resolution varies depending on the aspect ratio, but is often 858 or 1080.

VFX render resolutions can vary, and if they deviate from standard 2K it's often related to the resolution of the source footage (The Last Jedi and Blade Runner 2049 both VFX renders that match the resolution of the capture footage).

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Attention Disney: please turn the stems over to people who know what they're doing, Steve Spielberg and Gary Rydstrom. Let them do a remix so we don't have to constantly raise and lower the volume. I set my volume to actors talking indoors without music; where they are heard at a decent volume, comfortable but by no means loud. (Revel Voice 2 in my HT). The action picks up and we are blasted with painfully loud sound. Seriously Disney???
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Thanks for the review!

I watched this a couple nights ago and really enjoyed it! Not quit as much as the first one but still it was great.

My favorite characters from this iteration would be Edna and Jack-Jack, they got the most laughs out of me

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