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2019 CES TCL Announcements

Thought we'd need a separate thread on this because the announcements are actually pretty significant including:

1. 75" Series 6 available almost immediately:

"Responding to demand for the award-winning TCL Roku TV™ 6-Series, TCL will offer the newest and largest model in this series with a 75” screen size and up to 160 Contrast Control Zones®. This much-anticipated television is now available for pre-order today on BestBuy.com for less than $1800 and will be rolled out to a broad range of retailers in the coming weeks."

2. Free Software upgrades on all Series 5 and 6s:

"In addition to increasing in size, all TCL 5- and 6-Series sets in North America receive automatic software updates including Roku OS 9, available to TCL Roku TVs in the coming months. Roku OS 9 features Spotify support, “Free” Genre Voice Search and compatibility with Dolby Vision® HDR on Xbox One X and One S consoles, allowing owners to enjoy the most powerful High Dynamic Range experience in market."

3. New Series 8 8K TVs in 75" and up sizes with Quantum Dot tech and Mini-LEDs:

"This year’s TCL Roku TV 8-Series will offer available 8K resolution in screen sizes of 75” and larger in the US market. Each of these TVs will feature powerful upscaling performance to skillfully convert today’s 4K and full HD resolution content that delivers a new sense of depth and clarity. And with support for the latest HDMI standards, these 8K TV models will be ready for the next stage of the 8K content evolution as new devices come to market that are ready to deliver 8K movies, games and more.

In addition to delivering incredible advances in picture performance with 8K, QLED and Quantum Contrast technologies, select TCL Roku TV models launching later this year will offer an integrated high-performance far-field mic array. Sophisticated noise suppression and beam-forming noise localization technologies, being developed by Roku, will allow customers to naturally talk to their TCL Roku TV at any time, even in most noisy situations. With Roku Entertainment Assistant, users will get quick access to entertainment by using natural language to control and navigate their TV or search for content."

One thing that wasn't in the PR releases - but reported by Digital Trends is that the Series 6 will be getting a refresh later this year and also getting quantum dot and Mini-led treatment - and likely at the same price points!

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If the 75 6 series is 60HZ as it appears to be, it's a disappointment. Maybe the new ones in fall will have 120hz panels. If so those will be very interesting with the other enhancements. I couldn't personally care less about 8k right now.
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News Update TCL fails to deliver Quantum Dot 55” or 65” units in 2019. It seems to Be cheaper to Produce 8K 60Hz panels which is why most other companies have decided to go 8K and charge a Premium price.
Instead of offering Quality Quantum Dots units with HDMI 2.1 and 120Hz.

Good New is all this 8K nonsense will drive the price of 4K lower.

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News Update TCL fails to deliver Quantum Dot 55” or 65” units in 2019.
That's not true - 6 Series is getting a refresh with quantum dot in 55" and 65" later this year PLUS mini-LED with 300% more zones.

IMHO, people need to get over 120hz issue - it's pretty much meaningless except for PC gamers.
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If the 75 6 series is 60HZ as it appears to be, it's a disappointment. Maybe the new ones in fall will have 120hz panels. If so those will be very interesting with the other enhancements. I couldn't personally care less about 8k right now.
I guess if you consider the 6 series 65" a big disappointment (one of the highest reviewed TVs of the years pretty much across the board) then you can consider getting an additional version in 75" a disappointment.
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I'm super excited about the 75" 6 series that is available for preorder right now. However, saying the tv is less than 1800 and then pricing it at 1799 is really dodgy PR and depressing. I was really hoping it would price $100-200 cheaper. Now I have to make a decision between the 75" 6 series for 1799 or wait for the Samsung NU8000 to go on clearance in the coming months. I know the NU8000 will be had at an amazing price come March or April. So is it worth spending more for FALD? I need to wait for reviews on the new TCL. I've been talking about getting a new tv for the last 2 years but never could feel at peace with pulling the trigger. Now my 50" plasma screen is starting to flash occasionally, so I know its time is nearing the end. I just don't have the money to go for the the 75" 900F. If I did, I'd opt for the Sony 940E instead. So it looks like I'm going budget until tv's get better. (Sorry. I got a little bit off topic.)

I'm generally in agreement with not caring about 120hz or HDMI 2.1. I just want a decent tv at a good price. So TCL is always at the top of my lists. So will the current 75" 6 series have quantum dot or are those coming later in the year?
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That's not true - 6 Series is getting a refresh with quantum dot in 55" and 65" later this year PLUS mini-LED with 300% more zones.

IMHO, people need to get over 120hz issue - it's pretty much meaningless except for PC gamers.
Folks other than gamers often see stutter and what if one wants to play games, which I suspect 1/2 of potential buyers will to some extent. Why shouldn't that count? Sony just changed all their better LCD TVs BFI to flicker at 120hz regardless of source material exactly for this reason. Next you'll tell me that Sony is bad at motion. I suspect that the next series will be 120hz and you'll tout it when it happens.
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Folks other than gamers often see stutter and what if one wants to play games, which I suspect 1/2 of potential buyers will to some extent. Why shouldn't that count? Sony just changed all their better LCD TVs BFI to flicker at 120hz regardless of source material exactly for this reason. Next you'll tell me that Sony is bad at motion. I suspect that the next series will be 120hz and you'll tout it when it happens.
No one is seeing stutter because of 60Hz - that's not happening.

PC gamers are a subset of a subset - and they probably will go elsewhere. There are options.

I have no opinion on Sony's motion. I do on their price.

I don't really care if they upgrade to 120Hz or not to be honest. I'm not a PC gamer and the 60Hz panels work pretty good for me.
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The big thing I'm disappointed by is TCL is getting left behind on Apple streaming. All the other big name players (LG, Samsung, Sony, Vizio) are getting the ability to stream Apple products.

Probably has to do with partnership with Roku. . .which is a great feature. Wish that it didn't mean losing out on Apple compatibility though.
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Folks other than gamers often see stutter and what if one wants to play games, which I suspect 1/2 of potential buyers will to some extent. Why shouldn't that count? Sony just changed all their better LCD TVs BFI to flicker at 120hz regardless of source material exactly for this reason. Next you'll tell me that Sony is bad at motion. I suspect that the next series will be 120hz and you'll tout it when it happens.
I don't mind if the remain 60hz but improve pixel response/completely turn off their "CMI 120hz" (it seems like a low level soap opera effect that you can't turn off with TCL 4). Either that or the VA's have weird response causing some motion smearing. Our old 60hz native ips tv with 120hz motion interpolation doesn't have that "smearing" effect. I've read a few people complain about TCL 6's motion and I'm guessing it's more of the response or cmi that can't be turned off than just not being 120hz.

Price would also be a major factor.
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http://www.cnet.com/news/the-best-t...size-ces-2019/

75 TCL 6 seems native 120

The 75-inch model also has a true 120Hz refresh rate, while the 55- and 65-inch members of the series are 60Hz. The result should be better motion performance, although as usual the benefits are pretty subtle.

Hopefully it's real when reviewers get to test it.
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75 TCL 6 seems native 120

The 75-inch model also has a true 120Hz refresh rate, while the 55- and 65-inch members of the series are 60Hz. The result should be better motion performance, although as usual the benefits are pretty subtle.

Hopefully it's real when reviewers get to test it.
I think if this thing has a 120hz panel, then it's worth the $1799 asking price, if it's the same as the 55"/65" and 60hz though, TCL stopped being a "performance bargain" at that kind of price. It's an 85% jump up from the 65", the NU8000 and Vizio P series 75" models are significantly less jump up % wise from their 65" counterparts.

I wonder how fast the price drops on this though, The 6 series never really dropped too much, but feel like this could be $1599 or thereabouts pretty quickly
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Im just wondering what "later this year means":

One thing that wasn't in the PR releases - but reported by Digital Trends is that the Series 6 will be getting a refresh later this year and also getting quantum dot and Mini-led treatment - and likely at the same price points!


I need to buy a media room TV for my new house come first week of March. This throws me a loop.

Top TVs on the list- TCL 65 6 series, 65 x900f, 65 vizio quantum

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I need to buy a media room TV for my new house come first week of March. This throws me a loop.

Top TVs on the list- TCL 65 6 series, 65 x900f, 65 vizio quantum
Happens every year about this time!

I think you just have to decide what your price point is, what size you want, and what image quality will make you happy and go from there. Last year, TCL made it easy - I was in the market for a TV but had one that worked fine - I knew I wanted a 4K at 65". I liked OLEDs but not the price. I was good with FALD. My one hesitation on the value propositions was always an aesthetic thing - they just look like cheap sets and I didn't want a big ugly thing dominating our living room. TCL changed the game with the 6 Series - that made the decision pretty easy for me - they just ticked all the right boxes. So I waited for the release and pounced.

If you're in no hurry - probably worth waiting for at least the prices. If you're really patient, wait on the reviews. But personally, I think the reviews are interesting - but not really necessary A 30 day return period is all I really need.
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@10th St. - I got my parents a 65 6 series when their old Sony crapped out so Ive had a chance to set it up for them and tinker with it.

Ive been reading the forums and rtings on all three of those sets and have my loves and hates for each of them.

I would love an OLED but its not in the budget with the media room, speakers, new house, wifes crap, etc.

Guess Ill just cross my fingers the new 6 series revamp is sooner than later or the current 6 series drops in price even further, or the x900f drops because I love how it looks.

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The big thing I'm disappointed by is TCL is getting left behind on Apple streaming. All the other big name players (LG, Samsung, Sony, Vizio) are getting the ability to stream Apple products.

Probably has to do with partnership with Roku. . .which is a great feature. Wish that it didn't mean losing out on Apple compatibility though.
Screw apple, just get the apple TV streaming device if you want it that bat, the roku is more then good enough
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Screw apple, just get the apple TV streaming device if you want it that bat, the roku is more then good enough
Roku is great - but its not compatible with streaming Apple devices.

Believe it or not, a few of us have Apple devices. Maybe even more than a handful. Which, you know, is probably why it's a huge deal that Samsung, Sony, LG, and Vizio are all including that functionality.

The ability to stream to TV from the Apple products would be very useful to, you know, that handful of people who buy products from the world's largest company.

But I realize that's just a handful of us. . .

And yeah, I know I can get an AppleTV for another 200 bucks. I already have one on the other TV that doesn't have Roku. But it would be nice not to have to spend that. . .
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I really, REALLY want that series 8 75". TCL is pushing TV tech for the budget brands.
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In addition to mini LED and Quantum dots I'm hoping the 2019 6 series models will have faster response times for the dimming scheme

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I really, REALLY want that series 8 75". TCL is pushing TV tech for the budget brands.

Ditto! I was really hoping all the manufacturers would be showing mini-LED TVs this year at CES. Bummed there will only be 1. I do hope it makes it into the shootout this year. Would love to see how it stacks against the OLEDs. I'm hoping far better than the traditional FALD LCDs we've been seeing getting beat....
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I really, REALLY want that series 8 75". TCL is pushing TV tech for the budget brands.

Ditto! I was really hoping all the manufacturers would be showing mini-LED TVs this year at CES. Bummed there will only be 1. I do hope it makes it into the shootout this year. Would love to see how it stacks against the OLEDs. I'm hoping far better than the traditional FALD LCDs we've been seeing getting beat....
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I'm super excited about the 75" 6 series that is available for preorder right now. However, saying the tv is less than 1800 and then pricing it at 1799 is really dodgy PR and depressing. I was really hoping it would price $100-200 cheaper. Now I have to make a decision between the 75" 6 series for 1799 or wait for the Samsung NU8000 to go on clearance in the coming months. I know the NU8000 will be had at an amazing price come March or April. So is it worth spending more for FALD? I need to wait for reviews on the new TCL. I've been talking about getting a new tv for the last 2 years but never could feel at peace with pulling the trigger. Now my 50" plasma screen is starting to flash occasionally, so I know its time is nearing the end. I just don't have the money to go for the the 75" 900F. If I did, I'd opt for the Sony 940E instead. So it looks like I'm going budget until tv's get better. (Sorry. I got a little bit off topic.)

I'm generally in agreement with not caring about 120hz or HDMI 2.1. I just want a decent tv at a good price. So TCL is always at the top of my lists. So will the current 75" 6 series have quantum dot or are those coming later in the year?
I watched TCL’s Presentation speech. They reveleaed what No manufacturers at CES will say. Stats that 99% of all TV sold in 2018 were below $2,000 and that only 1% of TVs sold were above $2,000
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I watched TCL’s Presentation speech. They reveleaed what No manufacturers at CES will say. Stats that 99% of all TV sold in 2018 were below $2,000 and that only 1% of TVs sold were above $2,000
Yes - that was revealing. And that was in the US market, not world wide.
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75'' and larger will have a MiniLED backlight...1,000 zones according TCL.

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FlatpanelsHD saw the TVs in action at CES 2019 and they look promising. It appears that miniLED improves backlight control and TCL’s TVs also boast impressive viewing angles for LCD. However, off-axis the miniLED backlight still produces some blooming. These are early pre-production models so we will reserve judgement.


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For the past 2 years people have been saying "I wish the 65" TLC came in 75". Now it has happened.
It remains to be seen if the 75" has all the white banding problem (dirty screen etc) or if they have improved that?
Is anyone going to create a thread for the new 75"?
8k is a joke...there's no content. There's hardly any 4k content still, and we have been waiting since 2013, when 4k first came out...
Why would anyone with reasonable intelligence buy an 8k tv??
Even on youtube I think there's only a handful of 8k videos...
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75'' and larger will have a MiniLED backlight...1,000 zones according TCL.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that mini led will have multiple lines. Their 8 series is also miniled and will have all sizes, including 55". I'll try to find the spec article I read it on.
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that mini led will have multiple lines. Their 8 series is also miniled and will have all sizes, including 55". I'll try to find the spec article I read it on.
I was under the impression as stated reading stuff like this*

According HDTV test the flagship ''8'' series will have a miniLED backlight, ''quantum contrast technology powered by miniLEDs'' as TCL calls it.

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At CES 2019, the company announced its next generation, the 8-Series Roku TV, a 75-inch model that boasts 8K resolution and quantum-dot QLED panel technology. TCL says larger sizes will be available as well.
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For the past 2 years people have been saying "I wish the 65" TLC came in 75". Now it has happened.
It remains to be seen if the 75" has all the white banding problem (dirty screen etc) or if they have improved that?
Is anyone going to create a thread for the new 75"?
8k is a joke...there's no content. There's hardly any 4k content still, and we have been waiting since 2013, when 4k first came out...
Why would anyone with reasonable intelligence buy an 8k tv??
Even on youtube I think there's only a handful of 8k videos...
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
For the past 2 years people have been saying "I wish the 65" TLC came in 75". Now it has happened.
It remains to be seen if the 75" has all the white banding problem (dirty screen etc) or if they have improved that?
Is anyone going to create a thread for the new 75"?
8k is a joke...there's no content. There's hardly any 4k content still, and we have been waiting since 2013, when 4k first came out...
Why would anyone with reasonable intelligence buy an 8k tv??
Even on youtube I think there's only a handful of 8k videos...
I personally wouldn't...yet. But this is the year I think it became inevitable. LG, Sony, Samsung, TCL. . .even Hisense. . .have announced 8K flagships this year. The only big player who didn't was Vizio and I ain't making bets that they won't next year.

One could speculate that this could be another 3D folly - a useless feature wanted by a handful of geeks that ultimately proved to be not actually wanted by the market. But I suspect that it will actually follow a more traditional adoption path - with all players having top of line products in 8K next year, and then gradually pushing through the line over the next 2 or 3 years. People will buy the 8K displays because. . .well, mostly future proofing. Maybe some early adopters will talk themselves into upscaling benefits. . .

The content will be extremely thin for next 5 years - and gradually ramp up after that.

To put it another way, we just bought a 4K display. If I were to buy a TV this year, it would definitely be a 4K. But when we replace our 4K in 6 or 7 or 8 years from now. . .I fully expect it will be an 8K if only by default - I doubt anything in the 75" market and up will even be offered in 4K by then.

I was an early adopter of HDTV with one of the very first 1080i CRT displays. There wasn't much content then - but having seen what HDTV was capable up, I was pretty confident in the future. The transition from HD to UHD happened a lot faster than I would have expected, but there are marginal benefits to 4K at the larger picture sizes.

I think the benefits of 8K over 4K are going to be pretty damn subtle - but that videophiles will covet it and drive the market anyway.
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