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What software version is everybody on? I'm still at 7.0 with August 2018 security update.


I ask because a Software Update app just showed up on my recommended list but all it does it show the new features I am missing out on. But when I check for an update under Settings > About it says I have the latest version already.
it's rolling out slowly done that way. I don't have it either but Canada is always later. The other option is to download the file from the Sony site and install via USB drive.
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all LCD tv have issues, even 2008 Bravia 50 inch model sold for5K had clouding issues. it is no different now. it is really a panel lottery, coming from Plasma and OLED i always have been skeptical buying LED tv, so far i am happy that i don't see much issues with this set, bias lighting helps a lot on dark scenes, only OLED and plasma will give 100 percent black background, LCD will be close with certain panels. i have a samsung LCD also which has cloudiness also, just very gently pushing LCD panel in the clouded area fix the problem and make it reasonable, add bias lighting in back of tv and you will be surprised how much it changes the uniformity for your eyes.

This LCD tv has all the flaws of LCD there is no question about it. they all pass some shape or form of test out of factory with in the parameters of LCD technology, of course some might be defective but large numbers are problem free, if we are not super critical we will enjoy it more. OLED burn in and cost for 75 or 82 is the factor i got LCD, OLED is still best in PQ in my opinion. i have not seen any burn in on m y OLED but i amazed with PQ all the time even Blue ray discs looks stunning. X900F is no slouch at 75 screen size with good source.
I have had my 85 inch 900f for about a month. I let Best Buy calibrate it and I’m generally pleased with the tv. My biggest complaint though centers around watching NFL games. Motion handling is good. Our geek squad guy recommendee cinema home mode for best handling of motion. I think the tv does well with motion but I think my bigger issues are source driven. I have direct tv and my local and Sunday ticket cbs feeds really struggle when watching nfl. Would use of an OTA antenna improve my experience for sports on my cbs, nbc, fox affiliates ? I’ve considered a Clearstream 4 max outside. We live about 15 miles south of CLE. Alternatively, does spectrum do any better than direct tv? The clarity is just not what it should be . I love watching movies on this tv but if being honest, the clarity is a decent bit better for satellite/ cable on my 58 inch plasma.

Is there a way to make movies appear on the entire screen rather than formatted to not see the bottom top and bottom 6 inches filled by black bars? Not sure if it’s the 900f , Apple 4K tv, or just uncontrollable?

Thank you
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Anyone using the 900f as a computer monitor ? Thinking the 49” is a nice pAnel for multiple page layouts also a killer 60hz 4K or 120hz 1080p hdr gaming pAnel

I use mine exclusively as a monitor.I have the 55" and im very happy with it so far.I'm using 120hzh for 1080p and 1440p,Tv doesnt expose the resolutions you need to force them from the driver.
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it's rolling out slowly done that way. I don't have it either but Canada is always later. The other option is to download the file from the Sony site and install via USB drive.
The file on the website is the same version I have from September. The new version says it came out in November. That's a pretty slow rollout.

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I use mine exclusively as a monitor.I have the 55" and im very happy with it so far.I'm using 120hzh for 1080p and 1440p,Tv doesnt expose the resolutions you need to force them from the driver.


When you force 1440p how do you get it to fill the screen ? You using Nvidia or amd?

On my z9d (gtx 1080) I can force 1080p 120 or even 128hz and it fills the screen. But 1440 is “shrunk” on my screen

So was thinking of getting a 49” for my office. Read 2-3 pages side by side, and was hoping to get say 1440p 90hz and lock that for overwatxh

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At the 49” seems virtually zero improvements in the new 2019 one correct? Not even AirPlay. So just try to get this 900f on close out?

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Anyone do a zone count on the 49”?

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I have had my 85 inch 900f for about a month. I let Best Buy calibrate it and I’m generally pleased with the tv. My biggest complaint though centers around watching NFL games. Motion handling is good. Our geek squad guy recommendee cinema home mode for best handling of motion. I think the tv does well with motion but I think my bigger issues are source driven. I have direct tv and my local and Sunday ticket cbs feeds really struggle when watching nfl. Would use of an OTA antenna improve my experience for sports on my cbs, nbc, fox affiliates ? I’ve considered a Clearstream 4 max outside. We live about 15 miles south of CLE. Alternatively, does spectrum do any better than direct tv? The clarity is just not what it should be . I love watching movies on this tv but if being honest, the clarity is a decent bit better for satellite/ cable on my 58 inch plasma.

Is there a way to make movies appear on the entire screen rather than formatted to not see the bottom top and bottom 6 inches filled by black bars? Not sure if it’s the 900f , Apple 4K tv, or just uncontrollable?

Thank you
How far away are you from the TV? I’m 10.5-11ft from my 75” and I’ve watched a ton of Directv on it and it looks as good if not better than my 50” Panasonic Plasma and my old 65” Vizio LCD from 2015.

I’m using a genie2 from directv and have the video output set to native to allow the TV to do the upscaling. The only complaint I have with directv is the motion on some movies on certain channels. I find that some channels needs custom smoothing at 2-3 with cinemotion on high.

Our primary use is Directv and gaming with some streaming 4K content mixed in on the weekends. I used the Sunday Ticket app on the set from my PS4 Pro during the season and it looked fantastic. I find the CBS and NBC feeds to look the best. When I have to watch my team on my directv service itself it looks just as good. It’s possible that your local channels just have terrible feeds. I’d suggest setting your video output to native first then tinkering with the settings on the TV. In my signature I have what I use for directv both during the day and at night. I use the same settings for sports or TV shows. I’ve also posted them in the 900F settings thread. It’s certainly possible you’re just too close and are seeing all of the lower quality signals blown up in your face. Failing that local OTA feeds are probably certainly better.

The only complaint I’ve got with the set is when watching HDR content and bright objects near the edges light up the letterbox bars. I find it hard to believe that not all 900Fs exhibit this issue to roughly the same degree so I just kept my panel as it’s solid otherwise. It’s mostly covered up with my bias lighting. A fair compromise for its price range in my opinion. I can deal with it. If it gets worse I’ll use my SquareTrade warranty in a few years to get something better out of it.

I’ll be watching more streamed content soon since my ISP went ahead and bumped us up from 175mbps to 350mbps for free and upped our data to 900gb. They even let you add unlimited data for $40/month. If I had another way to get locals I’d dump directv but I’m in a fairly rural area that is 50 miles away from half of them so I have to wait until a streaming service carries them. Until then I’ll keep calling to cancel every April and keep service when they offer me nice discounts as I have been doing for the past 3 years.

As far as black bars go, you can either zoom on the TV or set the directv box to change it’s format but honestly I’d just leave it be unless you don’t mind it altering the ratio and stretching things out.

Hopefully you are able to clean up your signal. Let us know how it goes.
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X900f 2 point test calibration

Thought I would see what i could get by bypassing the complicated 10 point, and doing a simple 2 point using gain and bias and default Expert 1 or 2.

Here are the simple 2 point test settings that resulted in 0.8dE and 2.15 gamma in HCFR. Stock expert 1 and 2 result in 4.65dE and 2.10 gamma, so these adjustments should give a basic improvement in any X900F by simply adjusting 6 sliders on one screen. Give them a try.

R-Gain -17
G-Gain -22
B-Gain -24
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When you force 1440p how do you get it to fill the screen ? You using Nvidia or amd?

On my z9d (gtx 1080) I can force 1080p 120 or even 128hz and it fills the screen. But 1440 is “shrunk” on my screen

So was thinking of getting a 49” for my office. Read 2-3 pages side by side, and was hoping to get say 1440p 90hz and lock that for overwatxh

It fills the screen perfectly on mine with both resolutions.(tried 128hz and it works also).I have a 980ti card.
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Check that you have your drivers scaling/aspect ratio is set properly. I can spit out a 1280x720p setting that makes a little 720p
box in the center of my 4K TV if I wanted to.

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When you force 1440p how do you get it to fill the screen ? You using Nvidia or amd?

On my z9d (gtx 1080) I can force 1080p 120 or even 128hz and it fills the screen. But 1440 is “shrunk” on my screen

So was thinking of getting a 49” for my office. Read 2-3 pages side by side, and was hoping to get say 1440p 90hz and lock that for overwatxh
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I just laid a 10 point calibration on top of the already pretty decent 2 point calibration listed in the quote below.
The result was the best calibration I have ever gotten on my X900F, and the blacks look amazing.
Flat 2.2 gamma, and average 0.20dE. This calibration included local dimming on high enabled, and contrast set to maximum resulting in black level of 0.025cd/m at 100cd/m peak brightness, with 4000:1 contrast ratio. Screen grab of the results is below...I am afraid to adjust anything else for fear it will drop to 0.21dE! :-D

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Thought I would see what i could get by bypassing the complicated 10 point, and doing a simple 2 point using gain and bias and default Expert 1 or 2.

Here are the simple 2 point test settings that resulted in 0.8dE and 2.15 gamma in HCFR. Stock expert 1 and 2 result in 4.65dE and 2.10 gamma, so these adjustments should give a basic improvement in any X900F by simply adjusting 6 sliders on one screen. Give them a try.

R-Gain -17
G-Gain -22
B-Gain -24
R-Bias Min
G-Bias -14
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I just laid a 10 point calibration on top of the already pretty decent 2 point calibration listed in the quote below.

The result was the best calibration I have ever gotten on my X900F, and the blacks look amazing.

Flat 2.2 gamma, and average 0.20dE. This calibration included local dimming on high enabled, and contrast set to maximum resulting in black level of 0.025cd/m at 100cd/m peak brightness, with 4000:1 contrast ratio. Screen grab of the results is below...I am afraid to adjust anything else for fear it will drop to 0.21dE! :-D


Excellent. So is this one of this things where this calibration is only for your tv and not
likely to work well for others? If it will work for others can you post the 10point?


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Excellent. So is this one of this things where this calibration is only for your tv and not
likely to work well for others? If it will work for others can you post the 10point?


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Well, the calibration is only valid for local dimming high contrast at max, but here you go. Put these in Expert 1 or 2 and you can toggle to a default Expert to see if they look better than just the 2 point. You must have the 2 point in before you use these. Honestly, even a calibration from someone elses TV should be better than the stock settings, they are so far out of whack in the green and blue. Blue and green make TV's brighter, so the manufactures put those in as default so the sets look brighter and pop more.

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
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3: -7 -7 -5
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Well, the calibration is only valid for local dimming high contrast at max, but here you go. Put these in Expert 1 or 2 and you can toggle to a default Expert to see if they look better than just the 2 point. You must have the 2 point in before you use these. Honestly, even a calibration from someone elses TV should be better than the stock settings, they are so far out of whack in the green and blue. Blue and green make TV's brighter, so the manufactures put those in as default so the sets look brighter and pop more.

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
1: -1 -2 -17
2: -1 0 0
3: -7 -7 -5
4: -4 -5 -6
5: -1 -2 -3
6: -1 -2 -1
7: -4 -4 -2
8: -3 -2 -2
9: -2 -2 -2
10: 0 0 0
I’d love to spend the money to get the proper tools to perform calibrations but I’ve never been able to justify it since it would be an item I’d hardly ever use. I like my TV how it is but there’s nothing wrong with extra performance.

I mean I guess I did buy a delidding tool to remove the IHS on both of my 6600k CPUs but it was only $30. For what it’s worth though, it is worth it to delid and repaste with some liquid metal material and relid especially if you’ve got a chip that runs particularly hot like one of mine. One of my CPUs went from topping out at 92C with air cooling with a 800mhz OC to topping out at 78C under torture tests. The other saw minor gains from 82C to 74C.

Maybe someday I’ll get what I need to calibrate TVs. Hopefully I’d be able to do a few to make up for the cost of it. I’m probably the only person that would be doing them in my area given where I live is pretty rural.
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I’d love to spend the money to get the proper tools to perform calibrations but I’ve never been able to justify it since it would be an item I’d hardly ever use. I like my TV how it is but there’s nothing wrong with extra performance.
Who knows, once you do maybe you will start doing calibrations in your area Calibration is mainly self taught from what I was told.....
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Well, the calibration is only valid for local dimming high contrast at max, but here you go. Put these in Expert 1 or 2 and you can toggle to a default Expert to see if they look better than just the 2 point. You must have the 2 point in before you use these. Honestly, even a calibration from someone elses TV should be better than the stock settings, they are so far out of whack in the green and blue. Blue and green make TV's brighter, so the manufactures put those in as default so the sets look brighter and pop more.

Pt R G B (minus sign is a negative value)
1: -1 -2 -17
2: -1 0 0
3: -7 -7 -5
4: -4 -5 -6
5: -1 -2 -3
6: -1 -2 -1
7: -4 -4 -2
8: -3 -2 -2
9: -2 -2 -2
10: 0 0 0

Is it supposed to be so yellow?(warm)


PS:Is it cause i have the Light censor on?

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Since we've discussed HDMI cables to a degree on this thread here's a very informative video from CES 2019.

http://www.avforums.com/news/ces-vi...i-cables.15739

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Is it supposed to be so yellow?(warm)


PS:Is it cause i have the Light censor on?
Light sensor only adjusts brightness.

And if you have never looked at a D65 (6500 kelvin, sunlight/daylight is 5600 kelvin) REC709 calibrated monitor, then switching to it from a very blue green display will look yellow until you adjust. This is similar to how when the sun comes up in the morning, you get extremely blue looking light around the cracks of your incandescent lit home windows shutters.

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hi gang...
long time lurker, and about to place order for the 75" version. moving from a 65 panny vt series plasma. but I do have some questions.
...I can't recall the brand of my wall mount, but its rated to hold about 125lbs...are these things universal? can I re-use or do I need another wall mount?
...im guessing the consensus is to upgrade cables with mono price premiums?
...I watch a ton of movies, and have been slowly upgrading my bd to UHD..atm I'm using just the regular PS4 as a player, so I'm also looking for a decent UHD that will match up nicely to this 900f. any good recommendations?
...im routing all devices through my older Onk NR838, but I do not anticipate any issues...the passthrough says 4K...keeping my fingers crossed. older gen Apple TV, direct tv satellite, oppo DVD player
...lots of great advice in this column...im sure to swing back here for further setting recommendations!

thanks in advance!
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Thought I would see what i could get by bypassing the complicated 10 point, and doing a simple 2 point using gain and bias and default Expert 1 or 2.

Here are the simple 2 point test settings that resulted in 0.8dE and 2.15 gamma in HCFR. Stock expert 1 and 2 result in 4.65dE and 2.10 gamma, so these adjustments should give a basic improvement in any X900F by simply adjusting 6 sliders on one screen. Give them a try.

R-Gain -17
G-Gain -22
B-Gain -24
R-Bias Min
G-Bias -14
B-Bias Min

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Would you mind posting to the settings thread? Thanks
http://afterconvert.com/forum/166-l...gs-thread.html
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hi gang...
long time lurker, and about to place order for the 75" version. moving from a 65 panny vt series plasma. but I do have some questions.
...I can't recall the brand of my wall mount, but its rated to hold about 125lbs...are these things universal? can I re-use or do I need another wall mount?
...im guessing the consensus is to upgrade cables with mono price premiums?
...I watch a ton of movies, and have been slowly upgrading my bd to UHD..atm I'm using just the regular PS4 as a player, so I'm also looking for a decent UHD that will match up nicely to this 900f. any good recommendations?
...im routing all devices through my older Onk NR838, but I do not anticipate any issues...the passthrough says 4K...keeping my fingers crossed. older gen Apple TV, direct tv satellite, oppo DVD player
...lots of great advice in this column...im sure to swing back here for further setting recommendations!

thanks in advance!
You can probably re-use your mount if it accomodates the screensize. Check that the wallplate is at least 30 inches long. I bought the Sanus SLT3-B1 for $55 instore at Costco for my 75 inch 900F, which tilts and extends if you are looking for a decent option.

Based on your current devices your current HDMI cables will probably work but definitely get Certified High Speed Premium labeled cables for any HDR capable devices you add in the future. Monoprice is a good reliable low priced brand.

For the UHD player, the new 2019 Sony X800M2 looks interesting but pricing and availability are TBD. There aren't any other good Dolby Vision capable options under $500 at the moment, IMO. The Sony X700 works but it requires manually flip flopping DV. The other <$500 DV capable players are not compatible with the Sony profile for Dolby Vision. If you want something right away and are prepared to spend, look at the Panasonic DP-UB820 which also supports HDR10+ (which provides some future proofing)

Your AVR doesn't pass HDR but your devices listed should be fine. When you add a UHD player, you'll need to have dual HDMI outs (one to the TV, one to the AVR) in order to optimize HDR and lossless audio. Or upgrade your AVR.
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It fills the screen perfectly on mine with both resolutions.(tried 128hz and it works also).I have a 980ti card.


Can you post your custom monitor settings? On my 75 z9 at 1440 I get a 55” screen

At 4K I can over lock the z9 to 68hz!!!

I actually got the 1080p to 133hz

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Is it supposed to be so yellow?(warm)


PS:Is it cause i have the Light censor on?
Try turning the Light sensor off. I was amazed at how much better my 49 incher looked w/o it.
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Can you post your custom monitor settings? On my 75 z9 at 1440 I get a 55” screen

At 4K I can over lock the z9 to 68hz!!!

I actually got the 1080p to 133hz

You can get it up to 185hz this is the max it will go for 1080p (got a black screen at 186) and 180hz for 1440p.I'm very surprised that it goes that far out of specs....As for my settings is this what you want ?
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Try turning the Light sensor off. I was amazed at how much better my 49 incher looked w/o it.

I did but its to harsh for my eyes at night...I did something different tho.Even with the light sensor on if you turn up brightness it will get brighter,i have found a good balance for me at 25 brightness with sensor on.
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When reading people's comments about this TV on reddit and such, I came across many posts stating that this TV had dim HDR and Dolby Vision for both gaming and movies. After sampling some HDR movies and games, I am happy to report that I have no idea what those people are talking about. This TV looks great in HDR. There are probably some TVs that can display it brighter, but I think it's plenty bright on this TV, even with the lights on.

As for blooming, yes I notice it in HDR, but nothing terrible. However, if viewed at an angle in HDR, it's blooming more than flowers in the spring! The good thing is, I don't watch movies at an angle, as I sit directly in front of the screen. This would definitely be an issue though for people with wide seating arrangements. Again, only while watching HDR. For SDR content, the TV shouldn't be so bright as to display such blooming, unless you are one of those who watch SDR at max brightness.

Overall, I'm really liking this TV so far. The highlights are displayed really well in HDR, motion seems really good as well.
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I've been lurking here for a while but I had to chime in after seeing one of your panels go up to 180hz. I just tested my 85 and it will do 1920x1080 at 240hz!!! Holy! This tv just became my favorite gaming screen in the house.

I have a GTX 1060 hooked directly to HDMI 2 on enhanced mode. I can not believe this tv takes a 240hz signal. Unreal!
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This thread is for XF9005 / XF90 / X90F etc right? Why can't they pick a name and stick with it!

Anyhoo, I was thinking of buying the 49" and a set of JBL 306P's, as I don't plan on buying an AVR. The XF90 has a single 3.5mm stereo out right?

What's the best way to have a 3.5mm stereo jack to XLR/TS in two different directions?
Also, is there a sound quality issue from using what is basically the headphone port?
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I've been lurking here for a while but I had to chime in after seeing one of your panels go up to 180hz. I just tested my 85 and it will do 1920x1080 at 240hz!!! Holy! This tv just became my favorite gaming screen in the house.

I have a GTX 1060 hooked directly to HDMI 2 on enhanced mode. I can not believe this tv takes a 240hz signal. Unreal!

I guess you saw my post lol I didn't knew it can go as far as 240 (didnt tried enhanced mode)


Edit:Actually my HDMI might be the problem,on PC.I need a better and shorter one,this one doesnt work with enhanced mode.My ps4 one is working fine but its too short....

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