Originally Posted by ultrasilent
1. If you don`t need brightness, then you don`t need HDR. proper HDR, as intended by director.
9405C is superior in every way over any oled except contrast and black level. motion handling same with sony tv sets.
Many oled owners complain about HDR10 because picture is unnatural and overcontrasted...
2. EVERY oled have near black issues, more or less. Looks like technology limitation and last case with flashing on LG, is one one of them...
3. May be. I read all the thread and many owners choose 9405C because of oled issues and bugs. Why you don`t buy oled in 2016?
Your thinking that proper HDR can’t be viewed on an OLED is just wrong. Yes, you get brighter highlights on an LCD, but you also get intrusion of some of those same bright highlights into the letterbox areas. That can be distracting. So despite the greater brightness of the 940c, I prefer the HDR viewing experience on my 77” OLED. It’s still plenty bright for a very satisfying HDR experience without any LCD distractions. My OLED also gets Dolby Vision which my LCD does not.
As for ‘many owners complaining about HDR10’ on OLEDs, you are aware that firmware updates were implemented some time ago to correct this, right? New algorithms were written so that HDR10 does not create the issues you mentioned. Of course Dolby Vision never had this issue...assuming you have a display that is DV compatible.
Flashing on LG OLEDs is no longer a problem that I’ve noticed and hasn’t been for quite some time. You seem to be throwing out issues that existed some time ago and have since been solved. As for near black issues, I no longer see that as an issue either with the more recent gen OLEDs. There is even a significant difference between my 65” B6 OLED and my 77” G7 OLED that’s a next gen product. But if you’d like to cling to that one, go for it. Further, as I said before and you conveniently ignored, the greater visibility of some near black material on LCDs is often not what the director intended. IOW some visible shadow detail on an LCD should not be displayed if you want to strictly adhere to ‘director’s intent’. The knife cuts both ways and in either case calibration is critical. With that said, I don’t see this as a significant issue with either technology.
As to why I didn’t buy an OLED in 2016, that was the very first gen and had issues that either don’t exist 3 & 4 gens later or have been mitigated to the point that they’re no longer a concern for most viewers. Put simply, there have been very significant improvements in OLED tech since then. Brightness, noise, motion and near black have all been improved, to say nothing of the huge price drops since then. To compare a first gen product to a 3rd or 4th gen is a bit insincere and silly. It’s also one of the reasons I abandoned these threads for a long time, silly endless discussions that never bear any fruit. You prefer LCD and I, like virtually all professional reviewers, prefer OLED. If I had a very bright room with little to no light control and no need for a large viewing angle, I might consider LCD. However even the latest OLEDs do very well in bright rooms.
First off you made it sound like I had owned (tried) a first gen OLED, I didn’t. I compared them, yes. Compared to the first generation OLED
, I did prefer the more mature 940c LCD that was Sony’s best at that time. Given the very high cost of that first gen OLED, coupled with the issues that went along with it, I would still make that same choice. It was the right direction for me at the time.
However today, with the much better PQ of the 3rd & 4th gen OLEDs and the huge price drops, that is certainly no longer the case. Do you honestly think I would have chosen my 2nd OLED, after living with my first for a year, if I didn’t think the technology was better and the picture superior? Having dimming zones at the pixel level with OLED vs a few hundred (if you’re lucky) with LCD, is an advantage in many ways.
So continue to scour my posts from years ago (I’m flattered
), but I think you’ll find a high degree of consistency. May I have refined my opinions here and there, of course, as technology improves we’d be silly not to. Glad you’re still enjoying your 940c, I am too. It’s held up well over these years, but the Android OS on it is still hideous and will never change.