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DJI Osmo Pocket: Camera/Gimbal that Fits in Your Pocket

Lots of Vloggers testing the camera on YouTube, but they tested it with old firmware that had audio and focus issues, now remedied.

Here's a test video, straight from the camera in 4K 60P - not re-compressed except by Vimeo. But you can download the original to avoid the streaming compression. Not much chance to move much, as it was snowing and the thing is NOT waterproof.

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Like that it has a recti-linear, therefore natural looking image. Since by design it is not intended to be strapped on, unmanned, somewhere so maximizing the FoV to get the most vista in along with the necessary annoying barrel distortion is clearly less preferable to having a natural looking image IMO.
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Mark, very nice PQ on this thing. Even the DR, although obviously not on par with larger sensors, is better than you'd expect. The only things that bothered me were what appeared to be 2 distinct WB renditions in some clips. Some were pleasantly warm and a few others were a fair degree cooler. I didn't see a WB shift during any clip, but rather a change from one clip to another.

The only other issue is sound, it seems quite tinny. I suppose given it's tiny size, there's only so much you can expect. But for something this small that does 4K60p and with no significant distortion, it's quite nice.
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Mark, very nice PQ on this thing. Even the DR, although obviously not on par with larger sensors, is better than you'd expect. The only things that bothered me were what appeared to be 2 distinct WB renditions in some clips. Some were pleasantly warm and a few others were a fair degree cooler. I didn't see a WB shift during any clip, but rather a change from one clip to another.

The only other issue is sound, it seems quite tinny. I suppose given it's tiny size, there's only so much you can expect. But for something this small that does 4K60p and with no significant distortion, it's quite nice.
As always, a good eye. The reason is simple - most of the clips were taken at the end of the day - the golden hour. The other ones were taken around noon, and the clips were interspersed by content rather than time of day. In principle I could have used color match to avoid the shift in post.

The IQ does seem pretty good, and this thing really fits in my pocket so I can carry it around everywhere. On the sound, there are some settings I do not understand so I am playing around - the documentation is not great. You can (with an adapter) use an external mic, but that sort of defeats the main attraction, size.
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The IQ does seem pretty good, and this thing really fits in my pocket so I can carry it around everywhere. .

I place an order on aliexpress.com. still no delivery date.


does the dji osmo pocket allows you to use external battery to record continuous video. like the sony gw77.


at 1080p how does dji osmo pocket compare w gw77 in low light. (sony gw77 have military grade low light sensor).


I still carry my sony gw77 w me all the time. and Samsung s8 as backup.



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I place an order on aliexpress.com. still no delivery date.


does the dji osmo pocket allows you to use external battery to record continuous video. like the sony gw77.


at 1080p how does dji osmo pocket compare w gw77 in low light. (sony gw77 have military grade low light sensor).


I still carry my sony gw77 w me all the time. and Samsung s8 as backup.



thanks in advance.
Yes, absolutely, you can plug in an external battery into the usb-C port and it will run forever. I have yet to test the Osmo in lowlight. I suspect it will do well with its f2.0 lens, and sensor technology has come a long way since the GW77 (still one of my favorites). I will report back.
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I really like DJI in the way they have been able to push the limit of the available technologies to bring about practical, useful products for not only aerial camera users but also the general consumers. They have proved many times they don't care much about their own products' cannibalization if their newest things can vow the consumers with the most unique, technically superior gear in their categories. They have taken a few hits along the way with some products that were good but not so well received in the market but they didn't seem to care.

You could imagine if they were Canon or Sony. With that pure business mindset, we wouldn't be seeing this Osmo Pocket or the superb Mavic Air (just a few months after the launch of the Spark, their cheapest drone). More likely would be a few good but incrementally improved products with potentially useful features carefully crippled in all the right places. The buyers thus would get some use out of them but at the same time always long for some others.

That Sony GW77 I suspect, was simply too good an outdoor camcorder in its time if you look at the specs, design and features. If the equivalent of it were still around in the market today, not only would most or all other Sony consumer camcorders be dead but I'm sure their own conpact stills P&S as well as the waterproof action cam lines could also be severely affected.

By the way I like how this puny Osmo Pocket can do. It truly pushes the boundary like the Nikon P1000 does so this is good for most of us.
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This shows that small sensors will be the mass market leader in consumer cameras at the rate the R&D is paying off.
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Just bought the Osmo Pocket. Full review coming soon, IMO this is a revolutionary device thanks to its size although since I have the Mavic Air the video quality is not a total surprise, this is what DJI's "drone money" gets you in a handheld device.

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Consistent with the theme of, "A picture is worth a 1,000 words", Mark's videos are better than the many reviews I've already seen.
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Walking forward looks great, but shooting sideways exhibits your walking at 0:30 - not bulletproof. Maybe you need to adjust your walk? ;-)
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Hi Mark:
Seriously considering to buy the Osmo Pocket, I am baffled by the outstanding PQ this little thing can put out, unquestionably a must as a traveling companion and unobstructive
qualities, 4K at 60, FOV linear with no distortion or fisheye effect, amazing tracking, time-lapse that can be hacked for Hyperlapse and unbelievable stabilization plus all the other controls that can be added if you use the Pro mode. I've seen all your videos and many more in YouTube, are your videos mostly all in Auto?? Have you use the Pro Mode??? I know that you can set the Pro Mode in the App from the iPhone and later even if you disconnect the iPhone you still have the settings in the Osmo for more portability. I also ran into this accessory that can be very useful, it is available in Amazon. it makes the connection between the iPhone and the Osmo more secure as they say it is pretty flimsy.

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Consistent with the theme of, "A picture is worth a 1,000 words", Mark's videos are better than the many reviews I've already seen.
Leaving aside the quality of my videos, I totally agree with Ken's point here that seeing videos produced by the camera is a lot more informative than a video of a talking head reading camera specs, pointing to menu settings and then walking with the camera with the frame mostly filled by - the talking head.
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Hi Mark:
Seriously considering to buy the Osmo Pocket, I am baffled by the outstanding PQ this little thing can put out, unquestionably a must as a traveling companion and unobstructive
qualities, 4K at 60, FOV linear with no distortion or fisheye effect, amazing tracking, time-lapse that can be hacked for Hyperlapse and unbelievable stabilization plus all the other controls that can be added if you use the Pro mode. I've seen all your videos and many more in YouTube, are your videos mostly all in Auto?? Have you use the Pro Mode??? I know that you can set the Pro Mode in the App from the iPhone and later even if you disconnect the iPhone you still have the settings in the Osmo for more portability. I also ran into this accessory that can be very useful, it is available in Amazon. it makes the connection between the iPhone and the Osmo more secure as they say it is pretty flimsy.

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I shoot in Pro mode, set in the camera using the phone. But I do not use the phone to shoot, just to set. That attachment seems excellent for using the camera/phone combo.

Right now, one cannot adjust ev using the camera alone, which I find to be a major issue in low-light situations with some bright areas. There are promised firmware updates (already had one), with more controls going to the camera. And likely a Cine D and log mode.

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Walking forward looks great, but shooting sideways exhibits your walking at 0:30 - not bulletproof. Maybe you need to adjust your walk? ;-)
I agree.

It is all foot technique. When running around the fountain I did not use the best technique. Takes practice.

Being able to move with the camera to follow subjects and to simulate dolly shots, and sliders with smooth pans really makes a difference.
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How do you turn/tilt the lens while shooting? Slide on the screen? I saw in a YouTube video that when connected to a phone one would slide on the phone in the direction one wants the lens to turn.
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How do you turn/tilt the lens while shooting? Slide on the screen? I saw in a YouTube video that when connected to a phone one would slide on the phone in the direction one wants the lens to turn.
There is an option to slide on the built-in screen to tilt, or you can use "follow mode" and it will tilt on its own. Or you can get the accessory thumbwheel and use that to control tilt.

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DJI Osmo Pocket 4K Camera Gimbal - Hands On Review

The DJI Osmo Pocket is arguably the most exciting pocketable video recording device to debut in some time. It's a miniature marvel, and definitely more than a mere action cam. I'm now working on an "official" hands-on review of the DJI Osmo Pocket, getting some test shots etc.

Hands-on review is here: http://afterconvert.com/dji-osmo-po...-gimbal-hands/



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I'll be adding demo clips to the hands-on over the next few days, so check back for that. DJI Mavic Air and Osmo Pocket are my two favorite toys!

Also be sure to check out this thread by @markr041 (Mark Rosenzweig) that contains a wide variety of clips shot with the DJI Osmo Pocket.
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Looking at my own previous clips from the Sony X-3000, I cannot escape the fact that the clips that I have seen in your videos and those from the Internet in YouTube are considerable sharper and better PQ that What I have shot in 4K on the Sony. Has that been the same with experience with your clips from the Sony X-3000.????
I know that the FOV and the obligatory "wide angle" when using may be a factor when using 4K on the Sony, but do you think this may be due to the fact that there is better focusing on the Osmo vs the Sony X-3000, I see the clips a lot sharper and better depth of field in the Osmo. can you comment on this, and using the Pro mode can you publish some of the Osmo in Low Light.

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Looking at my own previous clips from the Sony X-3000, I cannot escape the fact that the clips that I have seen in your videos and those from the Internet in YouTube are considerable sharper and better PQ that What I have shot in 4K on the Sony. Has that been the same with experience with your clips from the Sony X-3000.????
I know that the FOV and the obligatory "wide angle" when using may be a factor when using 4K on the Sony, but do you think this may be due to the fact that there is better focusing on the Osmo vs the Sony X-3000, I see the clips a lot sharper and better depth of field in the Osmo. can you comment on this, and using the Pro mode can you publish some of the Osmo in Low Light.

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It does look to me that the Osmo Pocket 4K videos have higher resolution than those from the Sony X3000 and the GoPro Hero7. This is certainly due to the fact that the GoPro steals resolution for digital stabilization (10%) and the Sony also in active mode lowers resolution. The Osmo does not need any digital treatment for stability.


It is also true there is no distorting fisheye effect from the Osmo lens (26mm), so the pictures look more natural. Finally, you can get shallow DOF effects (when doing close ups) from the Osmo Pocket because the lens does indeed focus - it is not a fixed focus lens and not extreme wide angle.


The posted (above) natural history museum and the night Christmas village videos are certainly low light. The Osmo Pocket has a lens that is faster by one stop (twice as much light) than the GoPro and X3000 lenses. The Osmo Pocket also has a larger sensor than the Sony.

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I really want to like this product, but I'm struggling to figure out who its for. It's an interesting product for sure.

While I don't see pros using it to replace a full frame mirrorless rig on a larger motorized gimbal (I use a Sony A7Riii on a Crane 2 for real estate), I can see it MAYBE replacing a cell phone gimbal for consumer users? The footage looks good (one quick pan in the garden got pretty blurry but that's probably just due to your 1/30 shutter speed) but the latest couple iPhones can do 4k60 and have the advantage of the footage already being on the platform it will be shared from. I get the size thing...and do really want to like it. Maybe I'll pick one up to play with.
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I really want to like this product, but I'm struggling to figure out who its for. It's an interesting product for sure.

While I don't see pros using it to replace a full frame mirrorless rig on a larger motorized gimbal (I use a Sony A7Riii on a Crane 2 for real estate), I can see it MAYBE replacing a cell phone gimbal for consumer users? The footage looks good (one quick pan in the garden got pretty blurry but that's probably just due to your 1/30 shutter speed) but the latest couple iPhones can do 4k60 and have the advantage of the footage already being on the platform it will be shared from. I get the size thing...and do really want to like it. Maybe I'll pick one up to play with.
For the $ you can't beat the quality of a Sony mirrorless on a Zhiyun Crane 2, I use an a6500 with mine. Great stuff.

Certainly, with a Zhiyun Smooth 4 costing only $99 it's a great approach... I did this with an iPhone 8 Plus & the Smooth 4 while riding a Onewheel:


And agree... it's nice to have the footage already on the device you plan to share from. The absolute difference, above all else, is as simple as whether I have the Osmo Pocket with me... or not,. If I happen to find something worth filming, let's say on a business trip, I'd have a phone, but would I have a gimbal? Typically no. I plan to have Osmo Pocket with me almost all the time.

There's legit something to be said for the weight... it's less fatiguing on the wrist than even a phone gimbal.

And the fact it's a walk-in replacement at Best Buy with the warranty, and that includes accidental damage... granted it's an added cost but that also means I'm willing to take more risks with it than my iPhone 8 Plus or Note 9 (both 4K/60p capable).

I want to see an "Osmo Pocket Pro" that uses the camera/gimbal combo from the Mavic Pro 2. That could be amazing for the real estate stuff, although at this point for commercial projects I'm more inclined to do fly-throughs than walk-throughs.
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I want to see an "Osmo Pocket Pro" that uses the camera/gimbal combo from the Mavic Pro 2. That could be amazing for the real estate stuff, although at this point for commercial projects I'm more inclined to do fly-throughs than walk-throughs.
I have a Mavic 2 pro and have lately been getting a lot of soft shots, though I haven't really trouble shot it yet. I did get some replacement propellers to replace the ones I munched paralaxing into a tree (doh!). After that encounter the drone would drift while stationary, so that could've been contributing to the softness.

Either way, for real estate as I'm sure you know dynamic range is everything. My A7Riii allegedly can get about 14 stops in the log formats, though they fall apart pretty easily if pushed too far. It's probably a stretch to expect that kind of range from something with such a small sensor, but maybe in your long term review you can try some interior real estate shots?

Boy, that sure would be awesome to use something the size of an Osmo...though you absolutely could NEVER let the client see what you are filming with.

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I have a Mavic 2 pro and have lately been getting a lot of soft shots, though I haven't really trouble shot it yet. I did get some replacement propellers to replace the ones I munched paralaxing into a tree (doh!). After that encounter the drone would drift while stationary, so that could've been contributing to the softness.

Either way, for real estate as I'm sure you know dynamic range is everything. My A7Riii allegedly can get about 14 stops in the log formats, though they fall apart pretty easily if pushed too far. It's probably a stretch to expect that kind of range from something with such a small sensor, but maybe in your long term review you can try some interior real estate shots?

Boy, that sure would be awesome to use something the size of an Osmo...though you absolutely could NEVER let the client see what you are filming with.
Yeah, I always bring a big camera for paying jobs, even when a small camera is the right tool and what I'm gonna use, I gotta flash a "pro" rig.

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It does look to me that the Osmo Pocket 4K videos have higher resolution than those from the Sony X3000 and the GoPro Hero7. This is certainly due to the fact that the GoPro steals resolution for digital stabilization (10%) and the Sony also in active mode lowers resolution. The Osmo does not need any digital treatment for stability.


It is also true there is no distorting fisheye effect from the Osmo lens (26mm), so the pictures look more natural. Finally, you can get shallow DOF effects (when doing close ups) from the Osmo Pocket because the lens does indeed focus - it is not a fixed focus lens and not extreme wide angle.


The posted (above) natural history museum and the night Christmas village videos are certainly low light. The Osmo Pocket has a lens that is faster by one stop (twice as much light) than the GoPro and X3000 lenses. The Osmo Pocket also has a larger sensor than the Sony.
Thank You that is basically the same line of thinking that I was having regarding the PQ of the Osmo Pocket, I agree.
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