Originally Posted by m0j0
It's really hard to argue one way or the other. I did what you said and bought a 7.2 channel Denon that was on sale (under 300) to see what atmos was all about, but once I had 2 atmos speakers, I knew I wouldn't be happy until I had 4 atmos speakers in place, so I could have saved some money and trouble in the long run by just going right to the 9.2 channel AVR in the first place.
my point was that it's not an obvious answer. with speakers, i think it's true about 99% of the time that you are better off buying fewer high quality speakers and adding to that, then to buy a complete system and replace it later.
with avr's you have to put some thought into it. If i had not bought the pioneer 1130, i'd have spent more for a SC95 than it would be total for the 1130 and a new lx503(although VERY close). i suppose if i knew right away, then me having to buy an 1130 and sc95 in the same year would have been the most expensive option, but then why not return the 7.2 avr?
so again, there's certainly more benefit to this if you are thinking long term down the road replacement(over 3yrs i say it's a no brainer) but becomes a lot more questionable in the short term(under 1 year, no way!). If he's buying 11 speakers from the get go, or plans to have them hooked up in the next 1-2yrs, then i'd say go for the 9ch avr up front. but i don't think it's wise to think any avr bought today isn't going to be the best option 3 or 4 yrs from now, so it's not worth buying anything you can't take advantage of right away.
but i guess the other thing going for me was i was still constructing the theater. i really only 'completed' it a few months ago. so while i bought the receiver nov 2015, it's only been the last few months that i've really looked seriously at upgrading, since i'm finally using it pretty often.
Originally Posted by 4touchdownbundy
They were pushing Pioneer elite l503, which I know is pretty dang good, but perhaps there are others that will do just as good of a job. Marantz looked the best along with the elite. I liked their Klipsch towers and the one that caught my ear was the def tech center channel cs 9060, sounded pretty nice. I didn't like their towers though, wish they didn't have all that fabric around them. Looks just like a scratching post and I'm sure my cat would agree. They had klipsch subs out but they were 15" and pretty big. Sounded amazing though. Also listened to some smaller subs and realized how much I enjoyed having some power behind that bass.
The pioneer lx503 is about the cheapest avr that can process 11ch as you're going to find. so, it's unlikely your find something as good/better for less. the argument could be made that for a little more you can do better, but that's true of everything.
i tried looking up options on bestbuys US website, and it seems like prices are oddly different there (i mean i know they're cheaper, but the pioneer is far more cheaper than the rest). Anyway, you're now talking about the level of AVR that i've been keeping an eye on, and it seems like these are the main options. and let me blunt, while they all have different options, pros and cons, for ME I would purchase whatever one is the cheapest. I still feel that everyone of these is more than i personally need, as i've been very happy with the quality of my pioneer 1130, i just want processing for 7.1.4
seems to be the cheapest MSRP option with support for 7.1.4. My only complaint is that every year since onkyo bought pioneer, there's been a little more onkyo, and a little less pioneer on the inside. You now have to move up to the 703 to get the D3 amps, which is a real shame. Unfortunately, if you go to last years model, you have to move up to 701 to get 11ch processing. so they added more channels, but lowered the quality when going from 502 to 503
seems to consistently be near the cheapest option(4400h, and 4300h included) when on sale. reports say it shares a lot with the marantz 7013, but i can't really figure out how marantz and denon are sharing product. the 4500 and 7013 are almost 1000bux apart, and the 3500 and 6013 are two channels apart. so i guess it's not as simple as saying the marantz is a re-skinned denon or vice-versa
definitely higher cost, but arguably not higher end. as reports suggest the 4500h from denon is more similar to the 7013, it should mean the 4500h is actually 'better' than the 6013. but again, this is far more complicated, and the actual differences will be quite small in practice, i'm sure. the 6012 is nearly identical, and currently in my market, there is a b-stock 6012 being sold that is the cheapest i have ever seen a brand new avr with 7.1.4 processing sell for. it's actually something i've very seriously considered buying several times, but i'm kind of stuck in this debate of whether i actually should upgrade my avr now, and i keep chickening out. it has however, become my new benchmark for what i consider a good price to pay(it is currently $850CDN, which is significantly better than the $1199CDN sale price for the 4400H that was the benchmark last year)
far as i can tell it's onkyo's version of the lx503. there are some differences(all of which i consider pretty minor), but if you can find it cheaper than the lx503 i'd go for it.
Yamaha won't even let look at a receiver with 11ch processing unless you have a platinum card...
sounds like you might have some more expensive taste than i thought. Subs are out of wheelhouse, but i can say that you will get a LOT more for your money if you don't buy from bestbuy. Have a stroll in the subwoofer section here, i'm sure you'll see the same handful of subs being recommended, and any one of them is going to give you a lot more for your money than what bestbuy has to offer.
I've never been a fan of def tech(or rather i should say, i've never enjoyed listening to them. i was actually a huge fan before i heard them because they consistently got rave reviews in sound and vision magazine), but speakers are so personal, i find it hard to even make recommendations. but based on the experience you had, i think you'd be pretty wise to start with a 3.1 o 5.1 system and plan to grow. with this in mind, if you are unsure between towers and small bookshelf speakers, you could start with the bookshelf speakers up front, and if they aren't enough for you, move them to the rear when you buy the towers.