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Well, to be honest, at least according to one professional review that actually compared the two (Sony 1000ES to the Oppo 203) - they said the Sony ES had a better picture and better sound than the Oppo.

So, that is saying something.

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But they compared it to the Oppo 203, not the 205 (which has better audio than the 203).
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But they compared it to the Oppo 203, not the 205 (which has better audio than the 203).
It should be compared to the 203, it's just an X800 with a few more bells and whistles for a custom install. The 205 is another level.

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Another great feature of this player is, in addition to its HDR Dynamic Slider, it has the ability to output Rec2020 in SDR mode. This has been confirmed by AVForums at 14:25 in the below link. This is a similar feature to the Oppo 203/205, which is an excellent addition for projector owners. This player really does it all with reference build quality. Another great addition would be if they add aspect ratio control/zoom functions like the Oppo players for added flexibility.

I hope we get confirmation soon that it is coming to the US.

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How is Panasonic for customer support? It looks like Oppo's first rate so I'm wondering how they compare
particularly since the 820 and 9000 blu-ray players are aimed to compete directly against Oppo's 203 and 205.
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I wouldn’t know, I never had a Panasonic piece break. My Panny plasma (very old 1080i TV) and 2 players going strong with no issues.
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GRex, I hear what your saying and agree that Panasonic is synonymous with quality and I have no doubt these players will be serious competition for Oppo. My only concern is that because these are completely new designs they're bound to have teething problems. Just wondering if they're customer service is on par with Oppo's.
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How is Panasonic for customer support? It looks like Oppo's first rate so I'm wondering how they compare
particularly since the 820 and 9000 blu-ray players are aimed to compete directly against Oppo's 203 and 205.
Oppo will probably have slightly quicker (not necessarily better) customer support - the Panasonic UB9000 will be the better player though.
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Oppo will probably have slightly quicker (not necessarily better) customer support - the Panasonic UB9000 will be the better player though.
We're in the same boat apparently: playing the waiting game.
For me it comes down to the Oppo 203 vs Panny 820.
Thanks for your feedback and as long as I have your ear, anything concrete
that's lead you to think that the Panny 9000 will be better than the Oppo 205?
Certain features and or technologies?
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How is Panasonic for customer support? It looks like Oppo's first rate so I'm wondering how they compare
particularly since the 820 and 9000 blu-ray players are aimed to compete directly against Oppo's 203 and 205.
Both of my Panny uhd players would power off at around 20 minutes when playing a file from usb or networked. At first Panny support seemed helpful - but once i got to top tier support they said that was "normal behavior". i was incredulous at this response, luckily still in the return window.

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Both of my Panny uhd players would power off at around 20 minutes when playing a file from usb or networked. At first Panny support seemed helpful - but once i got to top tier support they said that was "normal behavior". i was incredulous at this response, luckily still in the return window.

Im never buying Panasonic again. If you do - good luck to you.
What exactly was the "normal behavior"? Surely they must have provided a specific reason why it was shutting down, what exactly was the cause and why?
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Im never buying Panasonic again. If you do - good luck to you.
So why exactly are you here?
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What exactly was the "normal behavior"? Surely they must have provided a specific reason why it was shutting down, what exactly was the cause and why?
The power saving feature shuts down the unit when not playing a disk. Unfortunately, it also shuts down when playing a file from USB HD. The tech person (level 2) that I spoke with considered this behavior normal. And was not willing to troubleshoot or explain further.

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So why exactly are you here?
Because I had a comment to make and someone asked about Panasonic customer service. Why judge my 1 post when you have over 10,000?
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Because I had a comment to make and someone asked about Panasonic customer service. Why judge my 1 post when you have over 10,000?

You don't find it a bit trollish to be lingering in a thread about an upcoming product, just to say you won't buy it?

Posts like yours are why we have this military type enforcement of owner's only threads here now.
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You don't find it a bit trollish to be lingering in a thread about an upcoming product, just to say you won't buy it?

Posts like yours are why we have this military type enforcement of owner's only threads here now.
Exactly...

For the life of me I can never figure out why people who have no intention of ever buying the product (like the poster stated) come into the threads of the product they state they will never buy...

You would think that they would have something better to do than to troll threads that they have no interest in buying.

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We're in the same boat apparently: playing the waiting game.
For me it comes down to the Oppo 203 vs Panny 820.
Thanks for your feedback and as long as I have your ear, anything concrete
that's lead you to think that the Panny 9000 will be better than the Oppo 205?
Certain features and or technologies?
The Panasonic UB900 is considered by most professional reviewers to be the better player (than the Oppo 203) - it has better chroma handling for one.

Since the Oppo 205 has the same inferior chroma handling - and the UB9000 will obviously be an improvement over the earlier UB900 - I am banking on the new UB9000 being the better player.

Here is a video from a respected reviewer touting the new UB9000.


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You don't find it a bit trollish to be lingering in a thread about an upcoming product, just to say you won't buy it?

Posts like yours are why we have this military type enforcement of owner's only threads here now.
No. Not if I had an extremely poor experience with their most recent flagship and customer service. If my feedback gets one person to think twice about their products - thats fantastic!

But I respect your opinion.
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This is a anticipation thread so your comments on this product are irrelevant since the product is not even out. You wanna complain about customer service then complain on another thread like the product you had. You don’t even know how the player will perform? Sorry can’t take you seriously.

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Multiple complaints. Move on, please. A user asked about Panasonic CS. It was perfectly acceptable to respond. Some users will have good experiences, some will not. Back to anticipating Panasonic's offerings.

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Oppo will probably have slightly quicker (not necessarily better) customer support - the Panasonic UB9000 will be the better player though.
Can we wait until it comes out before you crown it king?
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You can do whatever you want - I was asked my educated opinion and gave it.

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I think the prediction that the 9000 will be the top reference player, especially for projector owners, is not far fetched at all and is likely an accurate one. Considering I have both the 203 and the current Panasonic 900, if the same holds true, but at the reference level, I would buy the Panny 9000 hands down over the 205. The Dynamic Slider is something I do not want to live without, and we are fortunate to get that on a reference piece. I still like my Oppo, and it’s improving with time, but I prefer the image the Panasonic 900 outputs... crystal clear, finely detailed, punchy, lots of depth, and minimal video noise. Something about the Panasonic image is very alluring, which is partly attributable to its excellent chroma processing. I can only imagine the results if this processing has been fine tuned for the 9000.

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I think the prediction that the 9000 will be the top reference player, especially for projector owners, is not far fetched at all and is likely an accurate one. Considering I have both the 203 and the current Panasonic 900, if the same holds true, but at the reference level, I would buy the Panny 9000 hands down over the 205. The Dynamic Slider is something I do not want to live without, and we are fortunate to get that on a reference piece. I still like my Oppo, and it’s improving with time, but I prefer the image the Panasonic 900 outputs... crystal clear, finely detailed, punchy, lots of depth, and minimal video noise. Something about the Panasonic image is very alluring, which is partly attributable to its excellent chroma processing. I can only imagine the results if this processing has been fine tuned for the 9000.

Test the Panny on the Martian, and image is just stunning. With the 900 it displays true HDR Rec2020, as compared to the Oppo (to be sufficiently bright) needs to be in HDR off Rec2020, and to me is not quite up to the Panny image. What’s interesting with the 9000 is, not only do we have access to the Dynamic Slider with HDR, but we have an Oppo-like HDR/Strip-Off mode.
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I think the prediction that the 9000 will be the top reference player, especially for projector owners, is not far fetched at all and is likely an accurate one. Considering I have both the 203 and the current Panasonic 900, if the same holds true, but at the reference level, I would buy the Panny 9000 hands down over the 205. The Dynamic Slider is something I do not want to live without, and we are fortunate to get that on a reference piece. I still like my Oppo, and it’s improving with time, but I prefer the image the Panasonic 900 outputs... crystal clear, finely detailed, punchy, lots of depth, and minimal video noise. Something about the Panasonic image is very alluring, which is partly attributable to its excellent chroma processing. I can only imagine the results if this processing has been fine tuned for the 9000.

Test the Panny on the Martian, and image is just stunning. With the 900 it displays true HDR Rec2020, as compared to the Oppo (to be sufficiently bright) needs to be in HDR off Rec2020, and to me is not quite up to the Panny image. What’s interesting with the 9000 is, not only do we have access to the Dynamic Slider with HDR, but we have an Oppo-like HDR/Strip-Off mode.

Have you upgraded your OPPO to the latest FW? Supposedly there are a lot of fixes for people with projectors.

I agee with you that the Panny picture is better than the OPPO, but we’re talking about degrees here. The picture is not exactly terrible on either player.
If video is the only criteria, the 9000 might not be the best player for many people anyway. A cheaper Panny might do just as well.
The 9000 is taking aim at the big Kahuna, the OPPO 205, with the emphasis on analog audio. In that case the player is already a dud. I know it’s not important for a lot of guys here, but the lack of SACD playback has absolutely killed it on audiophile forums. That’s a fairly large potential market that Panny is stupidly ignoring.
Their “audiophile “ player claim is also up for debate. I have the BDT-500, which was marketed as an audio player. Compared to my OPPO 103D, it’s dull sounding with smeared bass and shrill treble. So the jury is out on this until the 9000 arrives.
Shame, I’m a long time Panny fan and want the player to do well. I would have loved to consider one. But as of now, 6 months before it’s even been released, it’s premature to call it the best.
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Have you upgraded your OPPO to the latest FW? Supposedly there are a lot of fixes for people with projectors.

I agee with you that the Panny picture is better than the OPPO, but we’re talking about degrees here. The picture is not exactly terrible on either player.
If video is the only criteria, the 9000 might not be the best player for many people anyway. A cheaper Panny might do just as well.
The 9000 is taking aim at the big Kahuna, the OPPO 205, with the emphasis on analog audio. In that case the player is already a dud. I know it’s not important for a lot of guys here, but the lack of SACD playback has absolutely killed it on audiophile forums. That’s a fairly large potential market that Panny is stupidly ignoring.
Their “audiophile “ player claim is also up for debate. I have the BDT-500, which was marketed as an audio player. Compared to my OPPO 103D, it’s dull sounding with smeared bass and shrill treble. So the jury is out on this until the 9000 arrives.
Shame, I’m a long time Panny fan and want the player to do well. I would have loved to consider one. But as of now, 6 months before it’s even been released, it’s premature to call it the best.
Yes, I have upgraded my 203 to the latest beta firmware. It certainly improved things, but I still prefer the 900’s picture.
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My main issue with my 203 (I have had several) is the glitchy playback. It has the pickiest laser I have ever dealt with. My UB900 and X800 were more reliable during playback.

So it is great the 203 plays all the formats, but I think they are paying the price for that with playback reliability. Beginning of the day, it has to be able to play dvd and blu-ray discs reliably, and have an accurate image.

I hope at least the UB9000 offers an ability to force HDR10 over DV if the user chooses to, I love that feature on the 203.

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Does anyone know if the 2018 players support DTS audio from files located on USB?
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My main issue with my 203 (I have had several) is the glitchy playback. It has the pickiest laser I have ever dealt with. My UB900 and X800 were more reliable during playback.

So it is great the 203 plays all the formats, but I think they are paying the price for that with playback reliability. Beginning of the day, it has to be able to play dvd and blu-ray discs reliably, and have an accurate image.

I hope at least the UB9000 offers an ability to force HDR10 over DV if the user chooses to, I love that feature on the 203.
Have you spoken to OPPO about this? There may be a problem with your loader. I have a 203 and 205 and haven’t had one glitch on either.
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Are there any rumors/reports that this player is releasing in the United States this year? This is the 4K Blu ray player I would like to own most out of the one's announced for this year.
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So is there any reason to get this player as opposed to their cheaper version if you don't have an elaborate audio set up?
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