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please confirm that Vudu UHD isn't available from the app on this player
The player is waiting a firmware update and for Sony to flip the switch on their end to properly provision the player and turn on the full apps platform. Vudu is currently disabled (as is Amazon). Only Netflix is working at this time.
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I have a feeling that BestBuy actually started shipping these earlier than they were supposed to. Sony had said availability in March but people started receiving them as early as 2/24. I don't think we will know anything close to the full story on the apps until Sony has their first update, which I would imagine will be "turned on" within the next week or so... Just my guess based on previous roll outs.
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Will the X800 do 2D->3D conversion like the S6700?
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Isn't it the TV or PJ that does that?
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Isn't it the TV or PJ that does that?
I know some TVs do but my X9300D does not. However I have a Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and a Sony S6700 3D player that do. The K8500 does not.
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Hope you guys let us know when Sony drops the first FW update for the player, especially for all the Apps. I think that's when I will jump on board.
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Hope the FW update will let it do HDR to SDR with 2020.
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May I wholeheartedly echo that sentiment. I'm desperate to get shot of my Oppo203 and this would clinch the deal for me
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OR can the HD Fury Integral do it similar as to what it does for the Panny 900? Anyone???
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OR can the HD Fury Integral do it similar as to what it does for the Panny 900? Anyone???
I think most of us are waiting for the player to arrive. Mine will be here tomorrow so will chime in as soon as i can
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OR can the HD Fury Integral do it similar as to what it does for the Panny 900? Anyone???
It appears not from my testing.

I think Sony has gone an entirely different route with HDR to SDR conversion. It seems to me they are converting to Rec709 only but exaggerating colors a bit to make them look more vibrant.

Then there is the "Tv" vs "projector" setting. This one bothers me. it seems the TV settings is probably closer to correct. Projector changes the luminance mapping so that the image is brighter, but also washed out and raises black level. I don't like this kind of vague either/or setting.

I feel like sony went for a simpler solution for people with older non HDR sets but who don't want to get into the details of SDR BT2020, ect, ect. They'll give you an SDR image that has bolder colors.

That's what I am seeing anyway.
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OR can the HD Fury Integral do it similar as to what it does for the Panny 900? Anyone???
It appears not from my testing.

I think Sony has gone an entirely different route with HDR to SDR conversion. It seems to me they are converting to Rec709 only but exaggerating colors a bit to make them look more vibrant.

Then there is the "Tv" vs "projector" setting. This one bothers me. it seems the TV settings is probably closer to correct. Projector changes the luminance mapping so that the image is brighter, but also washed out and raises black level. I don't like this kind of vague either/or setting.

I feel like sony went for a simpler solution for people with older non HDR sets but who don't want to get into the details of SDR BT2020, ect, ect. They'll give you an SDR image that has bolder colors.

That's what I am seeing anyway.
. Is it possible HDFury could supply a new EDID to facilitate this. Shall we ask them?

I saw somewhere talk about a slider. Did u see this. Did it make any perceivable difference.

Finally how does the pic compare to Panny and Oppo plz
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OR can the HD Fury Integral do it similar as to what it does for the Panny 900? Anyone???
I think most of us are waiting for the player to arrive. Mine will be here tomorrow so will chime in as soon as i can
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. Is it possible HDFury could supply a new EDID to facilitate this. Shall we ask them?

I saw somewhere talk about a slider. Did u see this. Did it make any perceivable difference.

Finally how does the pic compare to Panny and Oppo plz
I think at least two ppl have said PQ was identical to Oppo or K8500 and one said it was an improvement on the XB1s. I think you are safe with the PQ of the player, its the other features you gotta decide on, like Streaming/DV etc. Also remember reading that the load times are the fastest in the industry.

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I think at least two ppl have said PQ was identical to Oppo or K8500 and one said it was an improvement on the XB1s. I think you are safe with the PQ of the player, its the other features you gotta decide on, like Streaming/DV etc. Also remember reading that the load times are the fastest in the industry.
I think that is only true for people who can and want to use HDR. if you are looking for SDR BT2020, it doesn't look like this will get you there.
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. Is it possible HDFury could supply a new EDID to facilitate this. Shall we ask them?

I saw somewhere talk about a slider. Did u see this. Did it make any perceivable difference.

Finally how does the pic compare to Panny and Oppo plz
It's possible but I highly doubt it. I don't think the Sony is able to do this, so an EDID won't make it happen. The luminance slider does work, but there is no free lunch just like all the other implementations of this feature. You might clip white on some scenes, or crush black on others.

I don't have an HDR set, but I'd bet that it's indistinguishable from the other players doing no conversions.
As I mentioned, their SDR conversion seems to exaggerate colors to give the impression of color enchantment without outputting BT2020.
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I got the player on the weekend. Im going from the one s to this and I feel like it gives off a much more saturated picture which is nice. Very quick load times for movies and whisper quiet. Also the build quality is miles ahead of the Phillips,8500, and in some ways even the Panasonic. X800 has a sturdier build and even the plastic top has a more premium feel than the Panasonic player. I still think the Panasonic is the grail of uhd players but it cost twice as much here in the US. The x800 gives us much sought after features while in movie such as changing picture to vivid and such. Also the on screen info such as if it's displaying hdr or sdr and 4k/24p/60p is a great welcome. The Netflix app is solid, very quick. I think I'm going to be keeping this player. I wanted the oppo but the analog outputs are not important to me and I find this players build quality to be just what you need for a uhd player. i don't have a Dolby vision tv but hopefully Sony does follow through with the Dolby vision update. It would be cool to have.
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First Impressions

So far everything is going well with my x800. Pre-ordered from BB on 2/20 and it was on my doorstep on 2/24. I've had a little run time with it. Blu-ray picture quality seems solid to me. I've run four different movies and all played fine. Can't compare it to other UHD players as I have no others. Threw in my first 4k movie today and watched a bit (Deadpool). HDR notice popped up on TV as soon as it started. It looked fantastic. Not sure if it's the 4k or the HDR or both, but there was a 'huge' quality jump over blu-ray.

Build quality impressions are also favorable. The player is solid, runs and operates quietly and loads fast.

Now if we can just get the FW update to activate the apps on this thing. Only Netflix works currently as others have stated.

As a side note, I registered the unit on Friday, but have not yet received info for ordering the 2 free 4k movies that are included. Sony email stated I would get info in 2-4 business days so hopefully this week.
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Just got text from Best Buy that my x800 is ready for pickup. Coming from the S5100 this will be a nice upgrade just for the Hi-Rez audio and the DTS-X and Dolby Atmos decoding not to mention i'm set for when I get me a 4K display.
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I had a chance to play around with my x800 this afternoon. My receiver is older so I'm using the second HDMI out to feed it bitstream audio while HDMI 1 goes straight to my JVC 420.

Overall I'm pleased with the player. Much less glitchy than the Oppo I returned.

But I did have one issue. Hacksaw Ridge UHD had pretty bad audio sync. It may just be the disc though. Deadpool seemed much better than Hacksaw Ridge. Sending PCM didn't seem to help. I haven't tried any Blu-rays yet.

I wish I knew more about HDR and BT2020. So please take this with a huge grain of salt but I really like how HDR WCG looks on my projector so far. Enough that I may not pursue a HD Fury to try for SDR WCG. It might be because I 'only' have a 420 but I don't feel like the black level is extremely elevated and the picture looks nice and vibrant. I have the display type set to projector but everything else is at default. The JVC is in its default HDR mode with no changes.

Hopefully someone smarter than I can figure out if Sony is adding some secret sauce. It certainly LOOKS like what the Oppo was displaying as BT2020 and changing the Projector to Standard color space (from BT2020 that it switches to in HDR mode) makes it look 'wrong'. I just prefer to be able to confirm things with a meter rather than trust my lying eyes.

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Does anyone have any thoughts on the SACD and DVD-A playback of the X800? Has anyone used it for playback of those disc formats?

I was in Best Buy today returning the Billy Lynn UHD BD(since I was able to get it cheaper from Target). So I looked in the UHD BD player section, but nothing. I didn't really expect to see the X800 there yet. But I was hoping there might possibly be something there. Hopefully it shows up in store later this week. If so I'll pick it up soon.

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My X800 got delivered to work this morning, I couldn't stop thinking about it all day!

Got it hooked up immediately when I got home. It's connected to a 2014 Vizio P-series 60" via a Pioneer VSX-45 receiver. Put in the Independence Day Ultra HD as my first test. So far, I have no issues. No audio delay, no HDMI handshake issues, nothing. Immediately recognized my TV as being 4k and outputs as such, the Pioneer is showing DTS-HD Master Audio and sounds fantastic.

So far I've left the HDR->SDR slider at 3, the default. Colors look good to my eye, motion processing seems to be spot on. The black levels of this TV still get me to this day, so much so that I've convinced myself to wait another year before jumping on the OLED bandwagon.

I'll be testing a few standard Blu Ray's this evening, I want to see how the X800's upconvert compares to both the S6500 it's replacing and the standard capabilities of the TV when being fed 1080P. I've completely forgotten the fact that I even wasted time on an XB1S. Hell, my S6500 was miles ahead of that boat anchor in terms of video quality.
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My X800 got delivered to work this morning, I couldn't stop thinking about it all day!

Got it hooked up immediately when I got home. It's connected to a 2014 Vizio P-series 60" via a Pioneer VSX-45 receiver. Put in the Independence Day Ultra HD as my first test. So far, I have no issues. No audio delay, no HDMI handshake issues, nothing. Immediately recognized my TV as being 4k and outputs as such, the Pioneer is showing DTS-HD Master Audio and sounds fantastic.

So far I've left the HDR->SDR slider at 3, the default. Colors look good to my eye, motion processing seems to be spot on. The black levels of this TV still get me to this day, so much so that I've convinced myself to wait another year before jumping on the OLED bandwagon.

I'll be testing a few standard Blu Ray's this evening, I want to see how the X800's upconvert compares to both the S6500 it's replacing and the standard capabilities of the TV when being fed 1080P. I've completely forgotten the fact that I even wasted time on an XB1S. Hell, my S6500 was miles ahead of that boat anchor in terms of video quality.
Very stupid question but where is this HDR/SDR slider? I can't seem to find it.

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Very stupid question but where is this HDR/SDR slider? I can't seem to find it.

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It was mentioned a few posts ago, while playing a 4k disc on a non-HDR tv press the "Options" button on the remote. There are two video options, one for picture quality mode, which I set to "Direct" and another for HDR effect. While playing an HDR blu ray, when I hit "Display" it shows: 4k/24p HRD->SDR under the video output information.
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It was mentioned a few posts ago, while playing a 4k disc on a non-HDR tv press the "Options" button on the remote. There are two video options, one for picture quality mode, which I set to "Direct" and another for HDR effect. While playing an HDR blu ray, when I hit "Display" it shows: 4k/24p HRD->SDR under the video output information.
I don't have a non-HDR TV which is probably why I've never seen that option. Does turning off HDR on the player have the same effect?

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I haven't tried that yet. I left the HDR mode in "Auto" for now, I just popped in Toy Story on Blu-Ray as it's one of my favorite reference disc's. I can try Independence Day again a little later and switch HDR to off, then I can see if the HDR->SDR tag and menu option are still present.
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I haven't tried that yet. I left the HDR mode in "Auto" for now, I just popped in Toy Story on Blu-Ray as it's one of my favorite reference disc's. I can try Independence Day again a little later and switch HDR to off, then I can see if the HDR->SDR tag and menu option are still present.
Thank you. It DOES show up when HDR is set to off.

Unfortunately none of the settings look great on my projector. 5 probably looks the best but it's still way too bright and washed out.

HDR on with my projector probably crushes blacks with the standard HDR mode on the JVC but it might be possible to tweak that.

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It appears not from my testing.

I think Sony has gone an entirely different route with HDR to SDR conversion. It seems to me they are converting to Rec709 only but exaggerating colors a bit to make them look more vibrant.

Then there is the "Tv" vs "projector" setting. This one bothers me. it seems the TV settings is probably closer to correct. Projector changes the luminance mapping so that the image is brighter, but also washed out and raises black level. I don't like this kind of vague either/or setting.

I feel like sony went for a simpler solution for people with older non HDR sets but who don't want to get into the details of SDR BT2020, ect, ect. They'll give you an SDR image that has bolder colors.

That's what I am seeing anyway.
What does the owners manual say about the tv and projector modes ?
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Thank you. It DOES show up when HDR is set to off.

Unfortunately none of the settings look great on my projector. 5 probably looks the best but it's still way too bright and washed out.

HDR on with my projector probably crushes blacks with the standard HDR mode on the JVC but it might be possible to tweak that.

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Your projector can do HDR, why you want to mess with SDR? It is for older 4K TV and projector.
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