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I thought it was worthwhile to clarify what players were available. All available with full support and warranty.

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What you like and dislike notwithstanding… that's a decent lineup.
Yes, the lineup is decent, but it would be nice to also have available the models from Sony and LG, and the new model from Samsung. The last year Samsung and Philips are way overpriced here.
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I have a question regarding the 5502 I am trying to slim down my setup as I feel like i have more devices then I need For example I bought an Xbox one s last year as it was the best value for UHD blu-ray This year I bought a chrome cast Ultra for Youtube HDR support For audio I have a 2.1 sound bar connected using ARC.

Here is my question, does the BDP5502 have a youtube app that supports HDR so I can combine the need for the Chromecast Ultra and Xbox one S into one device? I find the Xbox overkill now because i thought i was going to use games more, then I actually do. For the majority of my streaming I have a ROKU Premiere+, and the Android TV interface of the TV. The other reason i'm trying to downsize is the TV only has 2 ports that have the enhanced HDMI signal compatibility and one is also the ARC port. So finding a uhd disk player that also support HDR for YouTube would be ideal since those are the two main sources i plan on using HDR with. Thanks for any feedback you can give.
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I have a question regarding the 5502 I am trying to slim down my setup as I feel like i have more devices then I need For example I bought an Xbox one s last year as it was the best value for UHD blu-ray This year I bought a chrome cast Ultra for Youtube HDR support For audio I have a 2.1 sound bar connected using ARC.

Here is my question, does the BDP5502 have a youtube app that supports HDR so I can combine the need for the Chromecast Ultra and Xbox one S into one device? I find the Xbox overkill now because i thought i was going to use games more, then I actually do. For the majority of my streaming I have a ROKU Premiere+, and the Android TV interface of the TV. The other reason i'm trying to downsize is the TV only has 2 ports that have the enhanced HDMI signal compatibility and one is also the ARC port. So finding a uhd disk player that also support HDR for YouTube would be ideal since those are the two main sources i plan on using HDR with. Thanks for any feedback you can give.
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The BDP5502 doesn't have apps. I have attached an image that shows the user interface of the player, and as you can see, there are no apps.

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The BDP5502 doesn't have apps. I have attached an image that shows the user interface of the player, and as you can see, there are no apps.

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Thanks so much. If I wasn't looking for the youtube support in the same device, this would be perfect. It would probably work well as a dedicated player though. My TV has 4 HDCP 2.2 ports but only 2 do HDR@60 the other two do 4k@60 and HDR@30. The xBox one s still seems to play HDR blu-ray on a port that can do 4k@60 and HDR@30.

The sound bar I use as ARC, can not do 4k passthrough only 1080, so that only leaves the 1 port free that can do both 4k and HDR @60 and YouTube or most other streaming services will want the 60 capability. Seems like blu-ray is easier to keep happy when finding a compatible port.

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@MacinMan the Sony UBP-X800 supports YouTube HDR. Just FYI
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@MacinMan the Sony UBP-X800 supports YouTube HDR. Just FYI
I know, and it seems like ROKU got a YouTube update which has enabled it, but it's still not perfect yet. I have considered the Sony player as my TV is a Sony. I just hope best buy carries the Sony so I can buy it locally and not have to deal with getting it online, in case of needing to return it. I am hoping Walmart will carry a Sony UHD player at some point. bit the only UHD player my local one has is the Philips.

It seems like a good and solid solution right now, is to stick with the Xbox for discs, and the chromeCast Ultra for reliable Youtube HDR. I've heard Youtube HDR support is supposed to come to Sony android TV's for 2016 models and newer, and I have a 2016 model with google cast built in, so we will see what happens. One other question that's a bit off topic but not too much, regarding this situation. I should still be able to run Xbox games without issues on the Port that's 4K@60 and HDR@30, correct? from my understanding current Xbox games for the one are not native 4k, and the native 4k UHD discs usually play in 24p which are both in spec for that port. the main game I was asking about is Forza 3, as it's HDR, but think it's only 1080p Currently.

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I'm trying to understand the difference between the 7501 and the 5502. Both have the form factor I need, except the front panel buttons on the new 5502 are better for me. As I understand it, the 7501 has netflix and 5502 does not. Is the 7501 as "bare bones" as the 5502? Any differences in chips, etc? The 7501 is still available on close outs and I'm trying to figure out which to buy. It's a no-brainer if the electronics in the 5502 are the same.
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the Sony UBP-X800 supports YouTube HDR. Just FYI
The UBP-X800 is a very good player. I'll get one when Sony decides to release it in Mexico.
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I know, and it seems like ROKU got a YouTube update which has enabled it, but it's still not perfect yet. I have considered the Sony player as my TV is a Sony. I just hope best buy carries the Sony so I can buy it locally and not have to deal with getting it online, in case of needing to return it. I am hoping Walmart will carry a Sony UHD player at some point. bit the only UHD player my local one has is the Philips.

It seems like a good and solid solution right now, is to stick with the Xbox for discs, and the chromeCast Ultra for reliable Youtube HDR. I've heard Youtube HDR support is supposed to come to Sony android TV's for 2016 models and newer, and I have a 2016 model with google cast built in, so we will see what happens. One other question that's a bit off topic but not too much, regarding this situation. I should still be able to run Xbox games without issues on the Port that's 4K@60 and HDR@30, correct? from my understanding current Xbox games for the one are not native 4k, and the native 4k UHD discs usually play in 24p which are both in spec for that port. the main game I was asking about is Forza 3, as it's HDR, but think it's only 1080p Currently.

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I bought my UBP-X800 online via Bestbuy.com. It can be returned to the store (I bought the extended warranty).

While natively 1080p60 the Xbox One S upscales HDR10 game titles to 2160p60. While i have seen Netflix play HDR in 1080p I don't think the Xbox One S will. Do you not have an AVR that can act as a HDMI 2.0 switch?
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I bought my UBP-X800 online via Bestbuy.com. It can be returned to the store (I bought the extended warranty).

While natively 1080p60 the Xbox One S upscales HDR10 game titles to 2160p60. While i have seen Netflix play HDR in 1080p I don't think the Xbox One S will. Do you not have an AVR that can act as a HDMI 2.0 switch?
I wanted to change this post to provide a better answer. First to answer the question about the switch, My TV has 4 HDMI ports. Ports 2 and 3, are the two ports that can take the enhanced signal of both 4K 60 and HDR 60, the other two ports, ports 1, and 4 can take a signal of 4K 60 and HDR 30. Port 3, is also the ARC port, which I have the sound bar connected to, as ARC provides auto power to the sound that optical doesn't provide. The sound bar only passes through 1080p video from my findings.

With this said, this only leaves port 2 open for a device that requires both HDR and 4k 60 compatibility to fully function, unless I were to get a switch to put on port 2 that would add more ports. With this said, I find the Xbox works on a port with only HDR 30 for Blu-ray which is it's intended purpose. The initial question regarding this player, or any stand alone player over the Xbox, is the stand alone player is likely to have better HDR 60 support for streaming as well as the disc player, so it would just be a way to replace two separate devices with a single one. I have things stable the way it is now, I just never expected to have to deal with all this extra stuff with 4k and HDR. In the end, after having had this TV since November of last year, HDR is the only reason it's worth keeping. 4K in a TV over a computer shows me real no difference over 1080. The two things that give me any value over the plasma I replaced are:
Sony's triluminus display and the HDR mode.

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I just got the BDP-5502 also today from Wal-Mart and own an Xbox One S. I moved the Xbox downstairs so it can be played without using the main living room TV. Honestly no difference with the HDR image. I get a message though every time I start up a disc that says something about BD-Live USB or something like that and I don't know how to disable it.....

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I just got the BDP-5502 also today from Wal-Mart and own an Xbox One S. I moved the Xbox downstairs so it can be played without using the main living room TV. Honestly no difference with the HDR image. I get a message though every time I start up a disc that says something about BD-Live USB or something like that and I don't know how to disable it.....

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I installed a flash drive in the USB port of the player, and enabled BD-Live in the settings. This disabled the message about BD-Live.
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I installed a flash drive in the USB port of the player, and enabled BD-Live in the settings. This disabled the message about BD-Live.
The message does go away with a flash drive but then the drive sticks out a ways....wish the USB was on the back.....oh well

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I installed a flash drive in the USB port of the player, and enabled BD-Live in the settings. This disabled the message about BD-Live.
Also I do notice that the Philips player has a slight smoothing effect aka soap opera effect...I don't see any way of disabling it.

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I didn't notice this. Maybe your TV does have some kind of motion compensation enabled?

My LG enables TruMotion by default in HDR mode, and I have it disabled, because I don't like the SOE.
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I didn't notice this. Maybe your TV does have some kind of motion compensation enabled?

My LG enables TruMotion by default in HDR mode, and I have it disabled, because I don't like the SOE.
I know the TV has its own motion settings and I have those disabled always and I didn't notice it when I was watching the movies on the One, it's not a huge amount but enough for me to notice it slightly. I am pretty sensitive to the soe......really the only difference I see between the One and the Philips. If you don't notice it though it makes me wonder if something is up with mine, I know my TV is set up properly.

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I know the TV has its own motion settings and I have those disabled always and I didn't notice it when I was watching the movies on the One, it's not a huge amount but enough for me to notice it slightly. I am pretty sensitive to the soe......really the only difference I see between the One and the Philips. If you don't notice it though it makes me wonder if something is up with mine, I know my TV is set up properly.

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I believe you, because I'm sensitive to the SOE too. And the settings don't have anything that could change what you're seeing. That's weird.
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Anyone seen both the 5502 and the 7501? I'm wondering if the 5502 has a different (improved?) generation of playback chip.

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Dang, did a firmware update in hopes that the smoothing would go away but it didn't....

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There's a new firmware update, version 1.03, for the BDP5502. I don't know what has changed from the previous version, 1.02.01
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I didn't notice anything different myself....

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I believe you, because I'm sensitive to the SOE too. And the settings don't have anything that could change what you're seeing. That's weird.
I figured out that if I turn off the 24p Playback option it gets rid of the smoothing.....hmm that's wierd. Usually I don't notice a difference with 24p enabled on other devices but on this Philips it smooths it.

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I haven't gotten the Philips player currently but I had some judder watching planet earth II on the Xbox one s. Seems to have cleaned it up by setting the TV's auto 24 feature on, which causes the TV to switch to cinema mode when 24p content is detected, and auto selects the best mode for other framerates.

Seems to work well here when I did that.
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I figured out that if I turn off the 24p Playback option it gets rid of the smoothing.....hmm that's wierd. Usually I don't notice a difference with 24p enabled on other devices but on this Philips it smooths it.

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Your TV might have different motion settings depending on the input framerate. SOE is not possible on 24hz.

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I know, that's what's confusing me....my other devices work great with 24p or Film Mode enabled. This device doesn't for some reason and the only remedy is to turn it off which is a bummer. I have all motion settings off on the TV, I know it's the player. I have an Xbox One S that does Film Mode also. In fact I think 24p is supposed to play it back like a theater which causes more judder and less blurr. The manual states that the 24p mode on the player is used to smooth movement during playback.

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I have 24p enabled on my player, and on my LG TV I have Real Cinema enabled and TruMotion disabled. With these settings, I don't experience any SOE with the Philips player.

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I have 24p enabled on my player, and on my LG TV I have Real Cinema enabled and TruMotion disabled. With these settings, I don't experience any SOE with the Philips player.

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Hey all,

I'm close to considering getting this player as an upgrade for my bedroom players so I can ply Planet earth 2 on my 1080p TV, and also have a second player to support the new disc format. I just want to know if this player can use DLNA. I know it doesn't have any internet streaming apps. Just wondered if it can stream over a local network. That's my main reason for waiting.
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I can't remember if I've already asked this, but has anyone here been able to compare this player's performance and playback quality to the Xbox one S ? I am still seriously getting a stand alone disc player, but don;t want to pay a lot for one .
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I'm close to considering getting this player as an upgrade for my bedroom players so I can ply Planet earth 2 on my 1080p TV, and also have a second player to support the new disc format. I just want to know if this player can use DLNA. I know it doesn't have any internet streaming apps. Just wondered if it can stream over a local network. That's my main reason for waiting.
I don't have a DLNA media server at home to test, but according to the manual, you can't use this player to stream video, only photos and music. The manual says:

"Enjoy content stored on home media servers: This unit allows you to play music files and view photo files stored on home media servers connected to your home network."


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