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Folks, I am trying to get to play Tidal bit-perfect with MQA using the UDP-203. The UDP-203 has the latest firmware UDP20X-60-0625. I have an older BDP-103D in another room which has Tidal built in but it does not fit in my current 4K setup. I tried looking through this long thread and there appears to be a solution with Roon but I don't have clear direction on this. Can someone point me to the correct post or guide me on how to get this setup? Been away from the forums for a long time and just last night found out what happened to Oppo. Very sad.
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What are you using to decode/unfold MQA? I have both a 103D and a 203. The 103D will not do MQA and the 203 has no apps. Perhaps I’m not fully understanding your question.

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What are you using to decode/unfold MQA? I have both a 103D and a 203. The 103D will not do MQA and the 203 has no apps. Perhaps I’m not fully understanding your question.
Here is the use case I am thinking of.
203 connected to the Marantz 8801 to Lexicon Amp to main speaker system. 8801 is audyssey pro calibrated.
I want to play Tidal music through 203. Yes, the 203 has no apps. But looks like there is workaround with Roon. As I understand Roon can be installed on a desktop in your local subnet. It will then discover the Oppo as an end point. Then you can play Tidal music for example from your Android phone.
Where would MQA be upacked? I don't know. That is why I am asking. I am wondering if the Roon core will help unpack it and then the 203 does the decode and sends LPCM to the marantz or bitstream to the marantz for it to decode.
Does it make sense?
There is very likely a lapse in my understanding as I just came to know about Roon and MQA last night.
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Roon can do the first MQA unfold.

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Thanks Neil. If Roon can do the MQA unfold, what is the format that would be streamed to the Oppo that Roon discovers?
I am also curious what protocol does Roon use? DLNA, UPnP?
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Thanks Neil. If Roon can do the MQA unfold, what is the format that would be streamed to the Oppo that Roon discovers?
I am also curious what protocol does Roon use? DLNA, UPnP?
Roon sends audio to the Oppo via their own RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport) stream. You can read about it here: http://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT

Roon can do the first MQA unfold and pass that along to the Oppo. You'll need a renderer downstream if you want the full MQA experience.

If you want to try out Roon with your Oppo there is a 60 day free trial with this code, 0PP0-M1NA-MLB4.

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Here is the use case I am thinking of.
203 connected to the Marantz 8801 to Lexicon Amp to main speaker system. 8801 is audyssey pro calibrated.
I want to play Tidal music through 203. Yes, the 203 has no apps. But looks like there is workaround with Roon. As I understand Roon can be installed on a desktop in your local subnet. It will then discover the Oppo as an end point. Then you can play Tidal music for example from your Android phone.
Where would MQA be upacked? I don't know. That is why I am asking. I am wondering if the Roon core will help unpack it and then the 203 does the decode and sends LPCM to the marantz or bitstream to the marantz for it to decode.
Does it make sense?
There is very likely a lapse in my understanding as I just came to know about Roon and MQA last night.
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Here’s a list of Tidal HIFI supported devices on Tidal’s page. Under Oppo the 203/205 are not listed. There are quite a few options if you the full MQA experience with prices all over the place.
http://tidal.com/us/download

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Here’s a list of Tidal HIFI supported devices on Tidal’s page. Under Oppo the 203/205 are not listed. There are quite a few options if you the full MQA experience with prices all over the place.
http://tidal.com/us/download
The 205 is a Roon endpoint and will be recognized as such IF THE AUDIO USB DAC input is used. The 205, when that input is used, will do both the unfold and render of the MQA encoded audio.

The 203 can do nothing more than pass digital data through itself to the next device. It will not be recognized by Roon nor will it do any MQA related processing.
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Here’s a list of Tidal HIFI supported devices on Tidal’s page. Under Oppo the 203/205 are not listed. There are quite a few options if you the full MQA experience with prices all over the place.
http://tidal.com/us/download
The 205 is a Roon endpoint and will be recognized as such IF THE AUDIO USB DAC input is used. The 205, when that input is used, will do both the unfold and render of the MQA encoded audio.

The 203 can do nothing more than pass digital data through itself to the next device. It will not be recognized by Roon nor will it do any MQA related processing.
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I have a question about case warping. I noticed this when I got my 203 but just thought the feet were probably off. If I put it on some isolation blocks today and it appears that the case is warped. See the rocking in the video. It is still under warranty of course. But my question...is this something I should be concerned about? I appreciate any thoughts/feedback.


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I wouldn't assume its the case itself till I had a good look at the feet. The feet screw in and one could be out of whack.
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The 203 can do nothing more than pass digital data through itself to the next device. It will not be recognized by Roon nor will it do any MQA related processing.
The 203 is a Roon end point. I use it virtually everyday as such.

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Hi

Are anyone else using ARC? With the latest BETA I have noticed that it takes longer time before ARC is connected and ready. I would say that it is gone from less than 1 second to about 4 seconds. CEC is disabled on my Oppo but CEC/Anynet+ is enabled on my Samsung TV.

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Are anyone else using ARC? With the latest BETA I have noticed that it takes longer time before ARC is connected and ready. I would say that it is gone from less than 1 second to about 4 seconds. CEC is disabled on my Oppo but CEC/Anynet+ is enabled on my Samsung TV.

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I have a question about case warping. I noticed this when I got my 203 but just thought the feet were probably off. If I put it on some isolation blocks today and it appears that the case is warped. See the rocking in the video. It is still under warranty of course. But my question...is this something I should be concerned about? I appreciate any thoughts/feedback.


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That’s what it was, and what’s better is that Dolby Vision works on my HDMI input now.
So, is there now a newer beta (having the same version for its label) released for all to use? I have an LG tv and until i know for sure this black screen in bypass issue has been resolved i'm reluctant to download this beta.
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No, I think the "special beta" with same fw number as the current Public Beta has been passed only to some people who have complained certain issues directly to Oppo US. They were told "please try this if it works for you, it has some additional fixes". These fixes will surely be included to forthcoming Official FW.
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The 203 is a Roon end point. I use it virtually everyday as such.

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Yes, I sit corrected. It is indeed a Roon endpoint. However, it cannot perform any of the MQA decoding, and its only the 205 that has the excellent DAC AND does full MQA decoding which is coveted by users. The 203, which I have also, is an excellent transport and player in the digital arena. Only the digital arena.

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No, I think the "special beta" with same fw number as the current Public Beta has been passed only to some people who have complained certain issues directly to Oppo US. They were told "please try this if it works for you, it has some additional fixes". These fixes will surely be included to forthcoming Official FW.
Ok, thanks.... I'll hold off til the official release then.
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Yes, I sit corrected. It is indeed a Roon endpoint. However, it cannot perform any of the MQA decoding, and its only the 205 that has the excellent DAC AND does full MQA decoding which is coveted by users. The 203, which I have also, is an excellent transport and player in the digital arena. Only the digital arena.

I use exclusively Tidal with Roon....and the 205 works flawlessly.
Roon can do the first MQA unfold and pass that higher resolution onto the 203. I have two MQA albums (one ripped from an MQA CD) and I've seen this in action. It's not the full experience, but it's a start.

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Just wondering what settings owners have on their player for DV & HDR playback? If there are Sony TV owners here that would be even better.

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Just wondering what settings owners have on their player for DV & HDR playback?
'Auto' for both...
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Like SeeMoreDigital indicated, "Auto".
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Does the 203 support "seamless branching"?

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Thank you, everyone. Easy enough.
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That's a misnomer, or at least a misapplication of the terms. There's no such thing as "supporting seamless branching". It is what it is and some players handle it better than others. The Oppo doesn't seem to have any issues with it. I doubt that the Cambridge does either.
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Seamless branching is a fundamental part of DVD and blu-ray. As fundamental as having multiple audio and subtitle tracks. All official DVD/BD players support it.
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The issue here is whether the UDP-203 can output an uninterrupted Dolby TrueHD bitstream over HDMI when encountering a seamless branch transition. The BDP-103 (predecessor of the UDP-203) was supposed to have been able to, but it does not, at least in some circumstances. I have only tried the UDP-203 with one known seamless branching disc, that being "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" Director's Cut BD. The 203's handling of this disc is far superior to that of the BDP-103 in this regard. The UDP-203 is able to play the Director's Cut option of the movie from beginning to end (which involves the branch transitions) without any apparent interruption of the Dolby TrueHD bitstream. However when scanning through the disc to play back particular scenes, it still sometimes experiences a brief interruption at the branch transition points. This results in a very brief muting or dropout of audio.

If these brief audio mutes or dropouts are encountered, the workaround is to select LPCM for audio output over HDMI, allowing the UDP-203 to make the bitstream to LPCM conversion. The problem with doing this on an Atmos track is that the Atmos metadata is lost and the result is traditional Dolby TrueHD 7.1 audio (since neither the 103 nor 203, nor any other player I'm aware of, can internally decode and output Atmos via LPCM).

I'm not sure why the Dolby TrueHD bitstream over HDMI is particularly susceptible to interruptions during seamless branch transitions while a DTS-HD Master Audio bitstream is not, and why the players' internal bitstream decoding is not affected. I submitted this issue regarding the BPD-103 to Oppo approximately 2 years ago. Oppo confirmed the issue on one of the discs I was experiencing it with. In April 2018 I was told Oppo had been attempting to get assistance from Dolby in updating the firmware to address the issue.

If there is a player that outputs Dolby TrueHD bitstream (and Atmos) over HDMI from these seamless branching discs without any interruption, I'd like to find it. The UDP-203 so far seems to be almost there. I'll have to try it with my two known issue discs again now that I'm on the new beta firmware. I have found the combination of known seamless branching with Dolby TrueHD audio to be extremely rare, although I have been told there are some titles that use seamless branching for copy protection rather than its intended purpose of incorporating alternate scenes when there are multiple versions of the same program (such as theatrical and director's cuts of the same movie).

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Does anyone force Dolby Vision for all 4k and regular Blu-ray? Can't find any hard info on the pros and cons, or even what's happening with the conversion.

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I force it for HDR10 movies because it looks better than HDR10 on my E6 OLED. HDR10 will clip on the high end, and converting to DV will fix that issue and the picture looks a lot better. I don't convert SDR to DV. The picture looks off. I can't speak for how converting everything DV looks on LCD.
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I'm not sure why the Dolby TrueHD bitstream over HDMI is particularly susceptible to interruptions during seamless branch transitions while a DTS-HD Master Audio bitstream is not, and why the players' internal bitstream decoding is not affected.
I suspect it's due to the Meridian Lossless Packing (MLP)...
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