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I finally got a signal from the K8500 to the JVC DLA-X550R. Once I loaded a disc into the player the projector recognized the signal and output an upconverted 4K image of Spectre, which looks VERY GOOD. Maybe a little better image than the one produced from the upconverted Oppo 103 4K image. Once you remove the disc the projector doesn't show the players menu screen. With the disc back into the player I can access the players menu at that point. SO WEIRD!
I noticed the menu screens are in 2160/60p, the Blu-ray you're using is most likely being sent to your PJ in 2160/24p

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That's interesting. I'm going to order a new HDMI cable and see if it solves the problem. Thanks.
Check to make sure the Pioneer has the HDMI output set to 4:4:4 as well. It's a power/bypass function.

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With my Pioneer SC-91, I had to make sure video was set to passthrough on the receiver.

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The second one is more zoomed, and yet has less flaws. It's very obvious on my tv. I like the OPPO. I have had the 83, 93 and 103D. The Samsung is better. It is visually obvious. No one wants to believe the OPPO could ever be inferior. God forbid. Yet, it is. Don't be so closed minded. Give it a 1 day try. Return it, if you don't like it. You judge it, yet you don't own it. I was 100% sure the OPPO would be better. I was wrong.
Uhh....I don't own an Oppo and never have. I own a first gen 3D panny and the new k8500....

My comment was strictly based on what I was observing from the posted pics. If anything, close minded would be me siding with the one I own, the New Sammy. I provided an unbiased opinion.

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FYI for non U.S. Prospective buyers:

The Samsung player is coming to the UK and Europe in March, with a free UHD Bluray of The Martian.

Right voltage, right region coding for Blurays and DVDs, proper local warranty and working streaming apps is well worth the couple of weeks wait IMHO...

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This may be totally obvious, but I figured it was worth a shot. Mine was doing the same thing and it turned out that I'd plugged my receiver into the HDMI 2 (Audio) out, and not the main HDMI 1. Are you sure you've got it plugged in correctly?
I did the exact same thing!

Worked fine once I switched HDMI inputs!

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Its flying fast around here so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. I threw my new unit up and did a couple things last night and just now this morning remembered i needed to send it lout to my projector and see what happens. Just enough time to do it and type and run.

Sending out to my Epson 1080 projector thru my Denon 6200 receiver I was able to watch Netflix and the beginning of Insurgent Blu Ray and Atmos also popped up.
My ROKU 4 would not go, it always had HDCP errors. I think the 4k on youTube Amazon and Netflix looked great and 1080 to projector was nice to see.

I know many had wondered about 1080 device. I hope this helps.
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Perhaps upscaling technology has improved since the release of the OPPO several years ago.
Definitely. My Samsung JS9500 does a better job upscaling than my OPPO 103D. I have the OPPO output the native resolution of the disk (i.e., 1080/480).
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I'm very happy with the player as well. SPECTRE looked great - much better than via my Sony BPDS6200, which it is replacing - and sounded great as well. The player does a great job with Dolby Atmos --- MAD MAX FURY ROAD sounded spot on. Looking forward to SICARIO in 4K as soon as the disc arrives.

Question: how can you tell when HDR is being streamed? I know it's not live yet, but MOZART IN THE JUNGLE looked great (slightly better than via my UN65JS9500's SmartHub app) and I am wondering how I will tell when HDR has kicked in.
My TV (and LG OLED) has a little pop up that tells me when it's actually receiving HDR. Not sure whether this player (or other TVs) would do the same.

Separately: I popped one of the super deluxe blurays of Avatar in last night and the very first screen that popped up - before any disc menus or anything - was a sort of error message saying to the effect that 'this feature requires local storage' and the choice to 'try again' or 'skip'. Those weren't the exact words but that was the gist of it. Was this something that the disc was trying to do...store something locally? I guess that's some kind of BD thing that I never noticed before? It doesn't do this on a PS4, XBOX One, or a region free Sony BD player.

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Check to make sure the Pioneer has the HDMI output set to 4:4:4 as well. It's a power/bypass function.
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With my Pioneer SC-91, I had to make sure video was set to passthrough on the receiver.
Good points - these are both things I had already done on my SC-99 so if you haven't done those yet, I'd try that.
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I finally got a signal from the K8500 to the JVC DLA-X550R. Once I loaded a disc into the player the projector recognized the signal and output an upconverted 4K image of Spectre, which looks VERY GOOD. Maybe a little better image than the one produced from the upconverted Oppo 103 4K image. Once you remove the disc the projector doesn't show the players menu screen. With the disc back into the player I can access the players menu at that point. SO WEIRD!
I would suggest that if you can access the player setup menu when there is a disc loaded, try to change the resolution in the menu to 2160 if it is currently set to Auto. My JVC projector and the K8500 just could not sync up with it set to Auto resolution.
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HDMI Deep color: There are four options Auto, YCbCr(4:4:4) and RGB enhanced and standard. Most displays movie mode is calibrated to 16-235 then sticking with YCbCr mode is recommended. However, UHD Blu-ray's are (4:2:0) at 10 bit, the KS8500 converts that to (4:4:4). Currently HDMI 2.0a does not support 2160p 10bit (4:4:4). Without away to send 4:2:0 across HDMI we will lose the 10-bit color. Update: Will do some 10-pattern tests tomorrow.
4:2:0 can definitely be sent over HDMI 2.0, not sure where you got that impression.

Even HDMI 1.4 chips can send 4:2:0 YCbCr natively to HDMI 2.0 TVs, NVidia did that with just a software update to their older Kelper GPUs so that you could get 60hz at 2160p (through 420 of course).
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4:2:0 can definitely be sent over HDMI 2.0, not sure where you got that impression.

Even HDMI 1.4 chips can send 4:2:0 YCbCr natively to HDMI 2.0 TVs, NVidia did that with just a software update to their older Kelper GPUs so that you could get 60hz at 2160p (through 420 of course).
Technically those video cards are HDMI 2.0 cards. They just came out before the certification was finalized. However, they meet all of the specifications of HDMI 2.0. 18 GB/sec support is optional with HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.0a for that matter.
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Here is what the Vizio M80-C3 will do with the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Ultra HD HDR Blu-ray player.

1. The K8500 can output 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 to the Vizio M80-C3 and it will pass the 4:4:4 test(See pictures Below). Yea I know. I didn't think it was possible either. I spent hours tonight just trying to get the stupid thing to go into 4K/UHD mode. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to do anything but 1080p. Then on a hunch I thought. Maybe this thing is sending out 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 since those are the only options in the HDMI Color Format menu. I switched to HDMI 5 and set my receiver to accept 4:4:4 which wasn't turned on before. Then I swapped cables to some that I knew were high speed. And low and behold it suddenly went to 4K @ 60 FPS for all 4K streaming on Youtube. I render my videos to 4K @ 60 FPS and that was now working properly. Then I put the 4:4:4 png UHD/4K test pattern on a usb drive and couldn't believe it when it worked.

That is right the Vizio M80-C3 is most definitely capable of 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4. However, it only appears to work with the K8500 and not computers. Honestly, I don't know why this is but I am 100% certain the Vizio M80-C3 can accept 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 from the Samsung K8500. I got a lot of drop outs from this with cables that marginally supported the 18 GB/sec data rate. Once I got good reliable 18 GB/sec cables, it without a doubt, passes the 4:4:4 test at 4k/UHD @ 60 FPS. I know no one will believe this until they try it so someone else please try this. Just put the 4:4:4 test pattern on a usb drive and plug it into the player. Please note that it must be a 10 bit test pattern or it won't work. I tried an 8 bit jpg version of the same file and it fails it.

2. Youtube works perfectly with 4K/UHD which is great since the Vizio TVs don't support VP9 decoding. It is great to have a solution that supports even UHD/4k @ 60 FPS youtube. My high end gaming laptop even struggles with UHD/4k @ 60 FPS youtube videos. The K8500 played them flawlessly without any dropped frames.

3. 4K streaming works great with Amazon and Netflix. However, none of them present any HDR options with the Vizio M-series. I am not certain that HDR streaming is working with true HDR TVs either. However, I am certain you aren't able to stream the HDR versions of the movies and shows with the Vizio M-series at the moment.

4. I can confirm that HDR material will work with the Vizio M-series. Now before everyone gets their panties in a bunch let me clarify what that means. It means that if you put an HDR file like the Life of Pi or Gods and Kings sample HDR files on a USB drive it will play them with proper color applied and they don't look washed out by default like they do when you stick the same usb drive directly into the TV. Now that isn't to say that the M-series is now an HDR TV. It most definitely lacks the color range to be considered wcg. However, it definitely can play HDR material without any issues and it definitely looks better than the 1080p or even 4K non HDR equivalent. It appears that the K8500 simply reads the headers and applies a REC.709 color profile to the output. However, it also appears that it leaves the output as 10 bit as well. I put the player in the RGB(Enhanced) color format and it does appear to offer a wider spectrum of highlight and shadow detail without any banding patterns that would occur with 8 bit material if you expanded the range so much. It is very obvious that the HDR material is graded differently than the 1080p Blu-rays are. I will try to take pictures of this tomorrow to demonstrate the difference. It is almost 2:00 AM here and I need to go to bed.

5. 1080p Blu-ray playback looks like any other 1080p Blu-ray playback. No better no worse. Just the same whether you stick it in 1080p mode or 4K/UHD mode.

6. This is a really great Blu-ray player. It starts and stops in a matter of seconds. My old Sony player would take almost a minute to start up. The remote is just weird though. Way to thin and awkward.

7. The dual outputs works great. However, I had to abandon them because I need HDMI 5 for my PS4 and computer. However, youtube through the K8500 only seems to play at 60 FPS for UHD/4K even if the video is 30 fps or 24 FPS. Therefore, I have to use HDMI 5 for the K8500 as well. That means that I have to chose a single default profile in the TV for all 3 sources. That default profile will have to be the one for the K8500 and then I will have to manually switch to the other profiles for the PS4 and the computer. It is a pain but it is worth it.

8. Netflix passes Dolby Digital + to my receiver and it shows a little plus"+" sign next to Dolby Digital on the front of my receiver. It freaked me out at first since I had never seen that before.


Overall the K8500 is an absolute Home Run for me despite the fact that I don't have an HDR TV and UHD HDR Blu-rays aren't even out yet. I highly recommend that everyone pick up this player especially if the price drops a little over the next few months. It is a truly wonderful piece of hardware. Yes it is plasticky and doesn't feel high end. So what? It works great and makes 4K a reality finally.

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Technically those video cards are HDMI 2.0 cards. They just came out before the certification was finalized. However, they meet all of the specifications of HDMI 2.0. 18 GB/sec support is optional with HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.0a for that matter.
Source? According to Tomshardware, "the Kepler cards are HDMI 1.4". I've never once read, anywhere, that Kepler GPUs are "technically HDMI 2.0" because if they were technically HDMI 2.0, NVidia would have advertised that at the time. Those cards came out well before the new HDMI 2.0 chips were ready, ergo, they are HDMI 1.4 through and through.

AMD added Freesync to HDMI 1.4 as well, in a demo. As part of the HDMI spec you can send custom protocols over the wire, so I'm pretty sure support for 420 has to be a priori in the display, and you can add 420 to older source devices through a firmware or even just software update.

YCbCr 422 isn't so very different from 420 that one couldn't imagine running some gear "out of official spec". Which is exactly what NVidia did. They didn't magically have access to HDMI 2.0 chips before everyone else. I know, I waited until Maxwell GPUs came out, only to find out that even those don't support HDCP 2.2 despite supporting the full bandwidth of HDMI 2.0. Sucks, but oh well.

I also believe HDR metadata could be added to older HDMI sources through custom stream support in the same way that AMD managed for their Freesync proof of concept.

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That is right the Vizio M80-C3 is most definitely capable of 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4. However, it only appears to work with the K8500 and not computers. Honestly, I don't know why this is but I am 100% certain the Vizio M80-C3 can accept 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 from the Samsung K8500. I got a lot of drop outs from this with cables that marginally supported the 18 GB/sec data rate. Once I got good reliable 18 GB/sec cables, it without a doubt, passes the 4:4:4 test at 4k/UHD @ 60 FPS. I know no one will believe this until they try it so someone else please try this. Just put the 4:4:4 test pattern on a usb drive and plug it into the player. Please note that it must be a 10 bit test pattern or it won't work. I tried an 8 bit jpg version of the same file and it fails it.

2. Youtube works perfectly with 4K/UHD which is great since the Vizio TVs don't support VP9 decoding. It is great to have a solution that supports even UHD/4k @ 60 FPS youtube. My high end gaming laptop even struggles with UHD/4k @ 60 FPS youtube videos. The K8500 played them flawlessly without any dropped frames.

3. 4K streaming works great with Amazon and Netflix. However, none of them present any HDR options with the Vizio M-series. I am not certain that HDR streaming is working with true HDR TVs either. However, I am certain you aren't able to stream the HDR versions of the movies and shows with the Vizio M-series at the moment.

4. I can confirm that HDR material will work with the Vizio M-series. Now before everyone gets their panties in a bunch let me clarify what that means. It means that if you put an HDR file like the Life of Pi or Gods and Kings sample HDR files on a USB drive it will play them with proper color applied and they don't look washed out by default like they do when you stick the same usb drive directly into the TV. Now that isn't to say that the M-series is now an HDR TV. It most definitely lacks the color range to be considered wcg. However, it definitely can play HDR material without any issues and it definitely looks better than the 1080p or even 4K non HDR equivalent. It appears that the K8500 simply reads the headers and applies a REC.709 color profile to the output. However, it also appears that it leaves the output as 10 bit as well. I put the player in the RGB(Enhanced) color format and it does appear to offer a wider spectrum of highlight and shadow detail without any banding patterns that would occur with 8 bit material if you expanded the range so much. It is very obvious that the HDR material is graded differently than the 1080p Blu-rays are. I will try to take pictures of this tomorrow to demonstrate the difference. It is almost 2:00 AM here and I need to go to bed.
Great stuff. You are da man. I was seriously considering buying a cheap Vizio last year until I saw that they didn't support 444.

You should post that picture on Vizio's Facebook page and ask them why 444 works for this player but not from PCs, that would be doing many people (especially gamers on a budget) a HUGE service if they can get it working. Just out of curiosity, can you try YCbCr 444 from a PC again through the same HDMI input? I am really skeptical now that it doesn't work.

People were probably trying to send RGB instead of YCbCr 444 from their PC display settings, not realizing there is a difference. I bet you it works if you do that with the same HDMI cable and the same input port from your PC. Or maybe people weren't using the Vizio 80 incher of the C3 lineup, so perhaps there is a port there that works. Or maybe it only works with HDCP 2.2 applied. Who knows.

HDR10 + 10-bit support in the cheap end of the Vizios = win for everyone. Now I just need to convince people at work to buy us one and let us code the HDR support to drive it.
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Received mine on Wednesday from Bestbuy. Having audio problems. Hooked it up, HDMI 1 to TV and HDMI 2 to my Onkyo 535. Tested with my old copy of Skyfall, my 4K disks have not arrived yet. Worked great for about 15 Minutes. I turned off the unit. When I turned it back on, the receiver is no longer receiving the audio. I worked on it for about an hour last night, flipping setting, finally it started outputting again. Turned it off and tried again this morning with the same result, no audio. Optical from the TV is working fine, want the HD sound to work though.

Anybody else experience this. I have tried 3 different HDMI cables, but the receiver is just not receiving the signal. Could this be a handshake issue.

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Source? According to Tomshardware, "the Kepler cards are HDMI 1.4". I've never once read, anywhere, that Kepler GPUs are "technically HDMI 2.0" because if they were technically HDMI 2.0, NVidia would have advertised that at the time. Those cards came out well before the new HDMI 2.0 chips were ready, ergo, they are HDMI 1.4 through and through.

AMD added Freesync to HDMI 1.4 as well, in a demo. As part of the HDMI spec you can send custom protocols over the wire, so I'm pretty sure support for 420 has to be a priori in the display, and you can add 420 to older source devices through a firmware or even just software update.

YCbCr 422 isn't so very different from 420 that one couldn't imagine running some gear "out of official spec". Which is exactly what NVidia did. They didn't magically have access to HDMI 2.0 chips before everyone else. I know, I waited until Maxwell GPUs came out, only to find out that even those don't support HDCP 2.2 despite supporting the full bandwidth of HDMI 2.0. Sucks, but oh well.

I also believe HDR metadata could be added to older HDMI sources through custom stream support in the same way that AMD managed for their Freesync proof of concept.
They are only certified as HDMI 1.4b. However, they have all of the requirements of HDMI 2.0. If they re-certified them right now they would receive HDMI 2.0 certification.
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Great stuff. You are da man. I was seriously considering buying a cheap Vizio last year until I saw that they didn't support 444.

You should post that picture on Vizio's Facebook page and ask them why 444 works for this player but not from PCs, that would be doing many people (especially gamers on a budget) a HUGE service if they can get it working. Just out of curiosity, can you try YCbCr 444 from a PC again through the same HDMI input? I am really skeptical now that it doesn't work.

People were probably trying to send RGB instead of YCbCr 444 from their PC display settings, not realizing there is a difference. I bet you it works if you do that with the same HDMI cable and the same input port from your PC. Or maybe people weren't using the Vizio 80 incher of the C3 lineup, so perhaps there is a port there that works. Or maybe it only works with HDCP 2.2 applied. Who knows.

HDR10 + 10-bit support in the cheap end of the Vizios = win for everyone. Now I just need to convince people at work to buy us one and let us code the HDR support to drive it.
The 2015 Vizio M-series will never support HDMI 2.0a. It will never have true HDR 10 support or ever be able to read the HDR headers. The TV simply cannot display the necessary colors. It may or may not be able to properly display 10 bit data but I am certain that it can accept a 10 bit signal.

I try the 4K @ 60 FPS output from my Nividia cards every time there is a new driver. It never presents either the YCbCr 4:4:4 option or the RGB option. It only presents a YCbCr 4:2:0 option for 4K @ 60 FPS on HDMI 5. In addition it will not pass the 4:4:4 test pattern at any resolution or frame rate with a computer. 4K/UHD @ 30 FPS 4:4:4 looks nearly perfect for everything but the test pattern. It is only at extremely close macro distances that you can see the difference.

With the test pattern in the K8500 it passed the 4:4:4 test with flying colors. I am not sure why it doesn’t work with a computer. I think the drivers have something to do with it. It could be a combination of things though.
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Moving over to this thread since mine will be here Monday.

Is there a menu option to cut HDR metadata off so that it isnt passed?

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4:2:0 can definitely be sent over HDMI 2.0, not sure where you got that impression.

Even HDMI 1.4 chips can send 4:2:0 YCbCr natively to HDMI 2.0 TVs, NVidia did that with just a software update to their older Kelper GPUs so that you could get 60hz at 2160p (through 420 of course).
I will clarify what I meant. There is no native 4:2:0 output in the KS8500, it will convert to 4:4:4. HDMI 2.0a can not transmits 2160P at 60hz, 10-bit 4:4:4. However it can output 2160P at 24hz, 10-bit 4:4:4. A lot of people keep bring up that there NVidia card can do this or that, we need to focus on the K8500s abilities. So far there are no issues here.
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Moving over to this thread since mine will be here Monday.

Is there a menu option to cut HDR metadata off so that it isnt passed?
You don't need to manually adjust for that. The player knows if the TV can't read the headers. It will automatically adjust the output if that is the case.

It is very important to note that in all likelihood the $6000 Vizio R65 and the $129,000 Vizio R120 will not be able to read the HDR headers because they don't have HDMI 2.0a. They will probably act exactly like the Vizio M-series when hooked up to this player. They will get the very limited REC.709 color range with 8 or perhaps 10 bit video. However, you will probably be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 65" Vizio M-series and the R65 when using it with the Samsung K8500 player. That is about $5000 down the drain if that is the case.

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You don't need to manually adjust for that. The player knows if the TV can't read the headers. It will automatically adjust the output if that is the case.

It is very important to note that in all likelihood the $6000 Vizio R65 and the $129,000 Vizio R120 will not be able to read the HDR headers because they don't have HDMI 2.0a. They will probably act exactly like the Vizio M-series when hooked up to this player. They will get the very limited REC.709 color range with 8 or perhaps 10 bit video. However, you will probably be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 65" Vizio M-series and the R65 when using it with the Samsung K8500 player. That is about $5000 down the drain if that is the case.

The Vizio R65 is the biggest waste of money in my opinion. Such a failure of a TV.
I understand that if the tv cannot do it, it will ignore it, my question is in regards to a display that can do HDR and maybe I dont want it to. You cannot cut if off in the display, so I was wondering if the player has that option, or it is forced on you.

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I will clarify what I meant. There is no native 4:2:0 output in the KS8500, it will convert to 4:4:4. HDMI 2.0a can not transmits 2160P at 60hz, 10-bit 4:4:4
Are you stating this because UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 10 bit would exceed the 18 GB/sec maximum throughput of HDMI 2.0? What would the bandwidth be for UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 10 bit?
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I understand that if the tv cannot do it, it will ignore it, my question is in regards to a display that can do HDR and maybe I dont want it to. You cannot cut if off in the display, so I was wondering if the player has that option, or it is forced on you.
You would not ever want to simply “Cut off” the HDR headers without rendering the video to a lower standard like REC.709. The video would be unwatchable and washed out with no discernible color if you did that even with a true HDR TV. Basically this is what happens if you put a true HDR video on a usb drive and play it on a non-HDR TV like the 2015 Vizio M-series. It also happens on the Samsung JU series TVs though. I went through Costco one day and tried it on all of their TVs. Only the Samsung JS850 played it properly and that was their only true HDR TV.
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Not sure how I feel about having that forced on you. Gonna be interesting when folks are forced to use HDR on calibrated displays and not happy with the image (lack of HDR calibration standard and controls in the menu)... But, thats not really for this thread so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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Are you stating this because UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 10 bit would exceed the 18 GB/sec maximum throughput of HDMI 2.0? What would the bandwidth be for UHD @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 10 bit?
Yes, it would exceed it. Its moot point as UHD is 24hz. I don't know what the bandwidth would be.

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Not sure how I feel about having that forced on you. Gonna be interesting when folks are forced to use HDR on calibrated displays and not happy with the image (lack of HDR calibration standard and controls in the menu)... But, thats not really for this thread so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Yes I 100% agree. Lot's of people are going to revolt when they realize that their TV has more control than they do. However, they will still try to calibrate the TV just like they did before. Ironically calibrating an HDR TV to REC.709 would be the exact same thing as just buying a non-HDR TV and calibrating it to REC.709.

Your best bet with HDR content on an HDR TV is to simply adjust it to your liking. If the default settings crush the shadow detail then adjust it so it doesn't. If the colors don't pop enough for you then adjust them as long as they don't start clipping.

The need for some people to make their display look exactly like their neighbors even if that means it doesn't use all of its full potential just baffles me. I couldn't care less what specs are available if those specs don't meet the capabilities of my display.
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I've got the player all set up, but no 4K blu's yet. I first put in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and it will not play at all. I tried a few times to no avail.

Then I put in Skyfall and it plays without a problem. So far I'm liking the player, but I hate the remote just like everyone else.

Can not wait until Sunday so I can test out some 4K blu's. I'm planning on testing out 3D today, but I've got a work meeting and then seeing Deadpool so I don't know if I will have enough time today.

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