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2018 Sony Master Series LCD Calibration Thread

Finally received my XBR-75Z9F and started this thread so we can chat about the LCD Master Series Auto/Manual Calibrations.

The Owners Thread is located here: http://afterconvert.com/forum/166-l...18-2019-a.html

Calibrations posted are are not necessarily going to work on your display. Try to stick with like sized settings but try them all. Its not anything that you can't go back on anyway.

To unlock the 20pt and Pro Picture modes install the Calman for Bravia app located in the App store.

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Calman AutoCal Calibration 11/11/2018

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Beta autocal: Spectracal recommended settings, D65, rec709, pro gamma target. 2.2 These runs were done with the C6 HDR2000 but with a generic LED PFS Phosphor profile. SpectraCal is releasing a Z9F specific profile with the retail release of Auto-cal. The first 7 images are all with local dimming OFF (the required setting to calibrate the Sony).

Pic 1: Precal, Pic 2: Auto-cal grayscale run, Pic 3: Colorspace, Pic 4: Post auto-cal, Pic 5: Pre-cal in Enthusiast after auto-cal, Pic 6: Enthusiast GrayScale after auto-cal, Pic 7: Enthusiast Color Checker, Pic 8: Pre-cal after auto-cal with Dimming ON:, Pic 9: Grayscale in Enthusiast after auto-cal w dimming ON
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The Pre Calibration looks this way because the WP is set to the modified JUDD white point out of the box. Too late now but if you took the scan and set the WP to Judd in CM then it would have looked a little closer.

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Man that black level and contrast ratio
That's with local dimming off. With SDR content that I have viewed so far I see no difference in black level to my P75-C1. Also the over visual depth on the SDR content is improved. Don't get too hung up on numbers is what I'm experiencing.


Edit: I've also seen a higher native CR with a higher backlight. At 350 nits the native CR is 3700.
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The Pre Calibration looks this way because the WP is set to the modified JUDD white point out of the box. Too late now but if you took the scan and set the WP to Judd in CM then it would have looked a little closer.
I would rather use D65 for my white point.

I will look at doing a iCtCp calibration soon.
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I would rather use D65 for my white point.

I will look at doing a iCtCp calibration soon.
Right I agree, I prefer D65 as well after watching with the modified JUDD WP.
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Beta autocal: Spectracal recommended settings, D65, rec709, pro gamma target. 2.2 These runs were done with the C6 HDR2000 but with a generic LED PFS Phosphor profile. SpectraCal is releasing a Z9F specific profile with the retail release of Auto-cal. The first 7 images are all with local dimming OFF (the required setting to calibrate the Sony).

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So your scans are showing how unstable the gamma gets when trying to calibrate with local dimming on. You are getting all these variances because the set is changing as you are calibrating proving the point that it needs to be off when calibrating.

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So your scans are showing how unstable the gamma gets when trying to calibrate with local dimming on. You are getting all these variances because the set is changing as you are calibrating proving the point that it needs to be off when calibrating.
John, Local dimming is OFF for all of these except the last 2. I ran the pre-cal and gray scale segments of the non-autocal workflow in Enthusiast to see how the calibration holds up with dimming on AFTER an autocal.

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John, Local dimming is OFF for all of these except the last 2. I ran the pre-cal and gray scale segments of the non-autocal workflow in Enthusiast to see how the calibration holds up with dimming on AFTER an autocal.
Sorry, that's what I meant. The scans After Autocal with local dimming ON shows the gamma moving around because the panel is changing dynamically. I haven't done this test but I would suspect we would see less than optimal results trying to autocal with local dimming ON since autocal would be trying to make adjustments as the local dimming is changing things dynamically. Hope this clears up my comment
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Sorry, that's what I meant. The scans After Autocal with local dimming ON shows the gamma moving around because the panel is changing dynamically. I haven't done this test but I would suspect we would see less than optimal results trying to autocal with local dimming ON since autocal would be trying to make adjustments as the local dimming is changing things dynamically. Hope this clears up my comment
I see the point you were making. It just puts an exclamation point on calibrating with Local Dimming OFF. I was pretty impressed that Sony has dimming fine-tuned to conform to the gray scale and gamma after auto-cal when dimming is enabled.

This is a VERY impressive LCD display.
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I see the point you were making. It just puts an exclamation point on calibrating with Local Dimming OFF. I was pretty impressed that Sony has dimming fine-tuned to conform to the gray scale and gamma after auto-cal when dimming is enabled.

This is a VERY impressive LCD display.
Yes, the calibration system has definetly been stepped up a couple of notches. I'm sure you noticed you only need to calibrate at the native panel gamma of 2.2 and once done you can change the gamma to 2.4 for example and the set figures out the offsets. Pretty cool in addition to also calculating the offsets for HDR and DV as well.
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Can anyone recommend someone to calibrate this panel in the San Francisco Bay Area? Would love to get this done by a professional.
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Yes, the calibration system has definetly been stepped up a couple of notches. I'm sure you noticed you only need to calibrate at the native panel gamma of 2.2 and once done you can change the gamma to 2.4 for example and the set figures out the offsets. Pretty cool in addition to also calculating the offsets for HDR and DV as well.
I saw that at the end of the auto-cal workflow but hadn’t actually done it. How is PQ at 2.4 in your opinion (assuming you’ve tried it on a Z9F)?

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Very good, you just need to let the panel cool down a little before running the scans to see the best results.
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How does it perform with local dimming on and you try ”6 step near black”

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Very good, you just need to let the panel cool down a little before running the scans to see the best results.
I’m thinking I’m going to try this.... IMO 2.2 is a touch “open”.

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Even though it's calibrating at native panel 2.2, if you run a manual scan it reads at 2.4

This was my precal reading in calman one with LD on and one off set to rec709/bt.1886 in calman.

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Has anyone checked to see if the multi point adjustment is "broken" as is the case on the Z9D? I am a 940E owner so i cannot check.

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I ran auto-cal again last night with the intent of setting the alternate gamma at the end of the workflow to 2.4. I used D65 for a whitepoint as my goal is a standard, reference calibration. I will say the panel looks great at 2.4. It’s my understanding from discussing with Tyler a while back that Sony doesn’t allow them to touch anything below 5%, so the 0-5 is all Sony. After calibration and dimming is enabled this looks outstanding. This auto-cal is saved to Pro1 and the color temp Expert 1

As an experiment because of @jrref comments about native panel whitepoint, I decided to run a 2nd auto-cal at JUDD. It’s a slightly cooler color temp but I think will be great for sports and daytime use. Some people may prefer it overall. If you don’t like the “Kodak” feel of traditional reference calibration, you can opt for this. Native panel precal has the blue channel closer in alignment to RG. I saved this to Pro2, Expert 2.

Here’s a few screenshots from the Judd calibration...

Like @shoman94 said, native gamma at the native whitepoint is 2.4. I ran auto-cal at 2.2 at this whitepoint for the time being. This is a nice setting and I would offer that some people may prefer it. I like D65 for movies but will experiment with this for hockey and football.
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I ran auto-cal again last night with the intent of setting the alternate gamma at the end of the workflow to 2.4. I used D65 for a whitepoint as my goal is a standard, reference calibration. I will say the panel looks great at 2.4. It’s my understanding from discussing with Tyler a while back that Sony doesn’t allow them to touch anything below 5%, so the 0-5 is all Sony. After calibration and dimming is enabled this looks outstanding. This auto-cal is saved to Pro1 and the color temp Expert 1

As an experiment because of @jrref comments about native panel whitepoint, I decided to run a 2nd auto-cal at JUDD. It’s a slightly cooler color temp but I think will be great for sports and daytime use. Some people may prefer it overall. If you don’t like the “Kodak” feel of traditional reference calibration, you can opt for this. Native panel precal has the blue channel closer in alignment to RG. I saved this to Pro2, Expert 2.

Here’s a few screenshots from the Judd calibration...

Like @shoman94 said, native gamma at the native whitepoint is 2.4. I ran auto-cal at 2.2 at this whitepoint for the time being. This is a nice setting and I would offer that some people may prefer it. I like D65 for movies but will experiment with this for hockey and football.
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http://afterconvert.com/forum/166-l...l#post55978094
The new Sony's have the same 10/20 pt disposition problem, that's not changed. Even after asking a Sony engineer when I had an opportunity, I was never able to get an answer to why the controls are like this. You would think after all these years that they would or could have fixed them so they work smoothly like the LG controls, for example. But the Autocal algorithm knows how to get around the problem and you can do so as well manually but it takes a while because the controls interact. That said, it's not an issue anymore if you use CM Autocal to calibrate with the option of a manual tweak if needed.
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I ran auto-cal again last night with the intent of setting the alternate gamma at the end of the workflow to 2.4. I used D65 for a whitepoint as my goal is a standard, reference calibration. I will say the panel looks great at 2.4. It’s my understanding from discussing with Tyler a while back that Sony doesn’t allow them to touch anything below 5%, so the 0-5 is all Sony. After calibration and dimming is enabled this looks outstanding. This auto-cal is saved to Pro1 and the color temp Expert 1

As an experiment because of @jrref comments about native panel whitepoint, I decided to run a 2nd auto-cal at JUDD. It’s a slightly cooler color temp but I think will be great for sports and daytime use. Some people may prefer it overall. If you don’t like the “Kodak” feel of traditional reference calibration, you can opt for this. Native panel precal has the blue channel closer in alignment to RG. I saved this to Pro2, Expert 2.

Here’s a few screenshots from the Judd calibration...

Like @shoman94 said, native gamma at the native whitepoint is 2.4. I ran auto-cal at 2.2 at this whitepoint for the time being. This is a nice setting and I would offer that some people may prefer it. I like D65 for movies but will experiment with this for hockey and football.
I like your term the Kodak feel. When I thought about it, you are right! The same Blue/Magenta vector in the WP lol
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Even though it's calibrating at native panel 2.2, if you run a manual scan it reads at 2.4

This was my precal reading in calman one with LD on and one off set to rec709/bt.1886 in calman.

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It's hard to tell what mode your CM was in at the moment you took the scan BUT the way CM works is as follows:
1) In Custom Pro1 the gamma is set to -2 or 2.4 by defaulf
2) When you connect to the display and do the DDC reset, CM automatically switches the gamma to 0 or 2.2 to calibrate at the native gamma of the panel

3) After you finish calibrating, when you disconnect from the display, CM puts the gamma back to -2 or 2.4 along with local dimming and anything else it changed for the calibration.

Once you connect to the display and execute the DDC reset, you can if you want, use the remote to go into the PM you are working on and change any parameter you want. Then calibrate, disconnect and go back into the display and reset the controls you changed to your desired setting.

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I like your term the Kodak feel. When I thought about it, you are right! The same Blue/Magenta vector in the WP lol
Photography print paper.... Kodak vs Fuji..... different white points. We always referred to it as “Japanese color” because the Fuji paper had a cooler color temp. People do tend to prefer one vs the other. My brain likes the warmth of Kodak.
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Photography print paper.... Kodak vs Fuji..... different white points. We always referred to it as “Japanese color” because the Fuji paper had a cooler color temp. People do tend to prefer one vs the other. My brain likes the warmth of Kodak.
Maybe I was confusing it with the different versions of Kodak film. Kodachrome had that warm WP but I forget the other Kodak film type was cooler.

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It's hard to tell what mode your CM was in at the moment you took the scan BUT the way CM works is as follows:
1) In Custom Pro1 the gamma is set to -2 or 2.4 by defaulf
2) When you connect to the display and do the DDC reset, CM automatically switches the gamma to 0 or 2.2 to calibrate at the native gamma of the panel

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Once you connect to the display and execute the DDC reset, you can if you want, use the remote to go into the PM you are working on and change any parameter you want. Then calibrate, disconnect and go back into the display and reset the controls you changed to your desired setting.
I’m just getting my head around how this is working in reality. So after CMS reset, the calibration targets 2.2 but after everything is said and done, the display sets a default SDR gamma of -2 which is 2.4? What’s th point of the alt-gamma option run at the end? (just to visually see the effect of -2 if you set 2.4 in alt-gamma)?
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I’m just getting my head around how this is working in reality. So after CMS reset, the calibration targets 2.2 but after everything is said and done, the display sets a default SDR gamma of -2 which is 2.4? What’s th point of the alt-gamma option run at the end? (just to visually see the effect of -2 if you set 2.4 in alt-gamma)?
Yes and Yes lol

Also remember, autocal is still in Beta so things might change a little with the final product. It would be nice to have more control of the settings in autocal like the target gamma, peak luminance for the OLED, etc so you can set them in autocal without having to go back and reset them to what you want from the defaults.
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On another topic.... JUDD. As I understand it, this typically refers to the native whitepoint of OLED reference monitors. It’s not a standard as JUDD is the whitepoint of each unique monitor. It may be even a little “off” to reference the native whitepoint of a consumer LCD as JUDD. Regardless, I’m calling it JUDD for the Z9F.... lol. There is an absolute x,y value for it in the autocal workflow to enter.

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