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How many are you withholding purchases until 4k/atmos versions arrive?

For brand new movies, especially ones that were mixed in Atmos from 3 years ago, I have stopped buying them altogether.

For older classics, black and white films... I don't care as much on the audio side. I won't care if they remixed casablanca or nosferatu in Atmos... but i would love those in 4k one day.

Either way, both 4k and atmos announcements are bound to kill sales. I think a bulk of blu-ray sales come from enthusiast. Average joe are still purchasing DVDs or not buying anything, but rent from redbox or stream.

What are you doing?

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I'm going to try to keep my Blu-ray purchases at the sub-$10 price point (ideally sub-$7), unless its 3D, then I bump that higher. Or if it is a movie I really like, I go higher. There may not even be a big push for 3D in 4K, so my purchasing strategy won't change much on those.

I think it will be a long time before 4K Blu-ray hits the price points we are seeing on catalog releases and releases that have been out for a few months. But I've seen it on HD-DVD/Blu-ray and DVD, so it will happen and I won't get fooled a 3rd time.

I feel real stupid for stocking up on HD-DVD in the $10 range when Blu-ray got that cheap on most releases within a couple years.

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I'm not buying Atmos flicks until there's an Atmos release (e.g., Godzilla). Other, older stuff, I've got no problem buying—in fact the new Criterion release of Eraserhead just showed up on my doorstep over the weekend.

I'd love to hear an Atmos version of Nosferatu, seeing it's a silent flick.
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Zero purchases. I believe 4K will be a temporary transition format in the market, much like DVHS once was.
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Zero purchases. I believe 4K will be a temporary transition format in the market, much like DVHS once was.
We're kind of lucky we got 4K this time, and if it gets hacked, I wonder if we will get another physical standard format. What do you think 4K is a transition to? If you are saying 8K, I really wonder about that.

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A better, more capable 4K format. I think they've made some limited technological choices to get it out on the market as soon as possible. They are repeating the same mistake they made with HD DVD.

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I will buy anything available now. Can't wait for a technology I do not have nor afford.

Atmos would be one thing but I'll just buy them again when/if they actually come out.

So no. I will buy what is out is now and not wait. I'll buy again in the future.
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Not me.

Blu Rays already work for me. I'm building my collection with the regular (and 3D) Blus. Have about 1200 blu rays so far.

I don't want to redo my sound system. And I only recently upgraded my projector.

I don't think I'll buy 4K content at all but time will tell.

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A better, more capable 4K format. I think they've made some limited technological choices to get it out on the market as soon as possible. They are repeating the same mistake they made with HD DVD.
Well, you might get a 2nd batch of discs that have better specs, but it sounds like the standard will cover limited and non-limited. So yes and no...

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i actually had a very similar strategy turls even in the very beginning of the format wars. i had a whole bunch of HD DVDs (for example U571 still has less DNR than BD) but i got rid of them once i saw BD was going to win the war. do you remember the BOGO days? that was insane how many free discs they were selling at that point. looking back a lot of them had terrible transfers... but that's part of being early adopters.

my strategy has been changed once again with 4k/atmos. anything new i'll wait for 4k+atmos. anything older, 4k maybe if it's a really great transfer.

but basically it's a complete halt for me until more 4k with or without atmos get sussed out. i did the same thing with DVDs the moment hidef discs were announced in 2005/2006 range was the moment i sold off my entire DVD collection. i didn't have much but i got rid of everything and awaited the hidef discs.
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I'm going to try to keep my Blu-ray purchases at the sub-$10 price point (ideally sub-$7), unless its 3D, then I bump that higher. Or if it is a movie I really like, I go higher. There may not even be a big push for 3D in 4K, so my purchasing strategy won't change much on those.

I think it will be a long time before 4K Blu-ray hits the price points we are seeing on catalog releases and releases that have been out for a few months. But I've seen it on HD-DVD/Blu-ray and DVD, so it will happen and I won't get fooled a 3rd time.

I feel real stupid for stocking up on HD-DVD in the $10 range when Blu-ray got that cheap on most releases within a couple years.
not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not... but most silent films since the dawn of narrative films have always wanted sound and they accomplished it through music. that's why most silent films have an accompanying score, some original, some many years after. the desire was always there to have sound/music... it just wasn't technically feasible yet til post 1927. chaplin went back to all of his films and wrote scores for all of them in the 1970s i believe. and per his own instructions he actually added in sound fx in some of the films... it'd be interesting to hear those in atmos. but even music in atmos would sound amazing. hoping more lossless music take advantage of new surround technologies.

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^^ That's a good point about scores for silent films. I bought a DVD version of Nosferatu that has the most awful bad gothic rock soundtrack. I end up muting it when watching it. I'd love a cleaned up version with a decent (Atmos) score.
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The problem with that is the same as if you do it now, the features may not match, and it may be years if ever before you get new versions. Iron Giant anyone?

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i did the same thing with DVDs the moment hidef discs were announced in 2005/2006 range was the moment i sold off my entire DVD collection. i didn't have much but i got rid of everything and awaited the hidef discs.

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If I end up with a 4K system, then I'll buy 4K BDs, if I don't have the BD or DVD of it already.

I wasn't one of those who rushed out and replaced every DVD with the BD version. I won't be one of those who rushes out to replace the BD with the 4K version.

Besides, you would need your own IMAX in order to see the difference. I already have a 73 TV, a 90 is in my sights to replace it with, not sure how big I'd have to go in order to use all that 4Kness....

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i thought everyone could drop $2mil on personal IMAX at home? easy peasy right?

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If I end up with a 4K system, then I'll buy 4K BDs, if I don't have the BD or DVD of it already.

I wasn't one of those who rushed out and replaced every DVD with the BD version. I won't be one of those who rushes out to replace the BD with the 4K version.

Besides, you would need your own IMAX in order to see the difference. I already have a 73 TV, a 90 is in my sights to replace it with, not sure how big I'd have to go in order to use all that 4Kness....

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The problem with that is the same as if you do it now, the features may not match, and it may be years if ever before you get new versions. Iron Giant anyone?

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One of the reasons I switched the bulk of my purchasing to UltraViolet is the potential of being able to upgrade movies, rather than replace them, as better formats emerge. The frustration of physical media is that I do not want to keep buying the same movies over and over again. At some point, it just gets to be stupid. Paying a couple bucks to upgrade to the newer format is a much better value proposition and I suspect that is what we will see in the future. I also think that the days of physical media are truly numbered.

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Why would I buy them if I've seen them already?
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Why would you listen to an album again if you've heard the songs once already?
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I will wait on 4K as I see its a long way off... I just upgraded everything for atmos my 1080 plasmas are just fine for size and for my viewing distance but audio is another story DSU in my opinion is worth the price of admission for atmos I think 2015 will be the year for atmos content

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The difference being an album doesn't have a plot, character development, etc. Nobody lists spoiler warnings when they talk about song lyrics. It's like comparing apples to your car keys.
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The difference being an album doesn't have a plot, character development, etc. Nobody lists spoiler warnings when they talk about song lyrics. It's like comparing apples to your car keys.
What I'm saying is that film is an art form. There are many pieces of art that can be experienced many, many times.
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back to the topic at hand....

i've with-held getting transformers 4, all the hobbit films, gravity, guardians of the galaxy, etc. basically any films listed on dolby.com's film list i'm avoiding until 4k+atmos or
4k+better colors+atmos comes out.

i'm ok with waiting a long time...

and then we'll all be downloading by then lolz

i also hope that UV partners like vudu adds atmos/4k for "free" instead of having us re-buy it.

amazon prime instant has already rolled out 4k without you paying extra (for now). i know netflix is charging extra for 4k.

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One of the reasons I have been investing in UltraViolet is the possibility of being able to buy incremental upgrades rather than having to pay full price for the same movie over and over again. When you factor in what Kaleidescape is doing with UV and what Hollywood has been talking about doing with 4K streaming and downloads, I think this is a reasonably sound bet. The scheme is that you could stream lower quality 4k or download a full quality 4k for local playback on approved devices. There is even talk of NAS support.

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I live today so I don't withhold on any Blu-ray purchases.

To myself I just can't justify to replace my $3k projector any year soon. I'll invest again when I am starting to get issues with my setup or when 4k and Atmos is mature.
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There is even talk of NAS support.
Yeah, they promised and never delivered with Managed Copy, so I'll believe it when I see it. Ultraviolet was conceived and delivered since well after Managed Copy was forgotten about. It would help solve issues with bandwidth limits and caps though.

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Yeah, they promised and never delivered with Managed Copy, so I'll believe it when I see it. Ultraviolet was conceived and delivered since well after Managed Copy was forgotten about. It would help solve issues with bandwidth limits and caps though.
I would love to have all of my UV movies on my local network. I still have hope that can happen.

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Can't wait till H#LL freezes over either, so yes I'm selectively buying lowly 1080p Blurays here and there.

Now, I'll upgrade to a PS5 when it can read the new 4k UHDTV format and PS3/PS4 games....
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I will wait for 4K until the hardware stabilizes and media prices are low. I got burned by DVD and HD-DVD by being an early adopter and it took several years for Blu-Ray players to get to a price where I felt comfortable buying and even then, the titles were still very expensive. I won't make that same mistake again.
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I have setup a HTPC that contains the following.

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The setup may not handle 4K, so I am not moving over to 4K anytime soon. Also not all stations transmits 1080p and they only send 1080p for prime shows. Although computers benefit more to high resolutions like 4K than movies and TV shows.

ATMOS is a new setup. I think AV receivers are going to have a hard time powering ATMOS setups because ATMOS needs to power up to 11 channels. More channels that an AV receiver have to drive, less power comes out of each speaker. I think ATMOS is too expensive to add. If all new movies have ATMOS, people will eventually setup ATMOS at home.

I do not make a lot money compared to others here, so buying a 4K screen and/or ATMOS is not on the list. I am OK with DVD. I just got a Blu-Ray drive for my computer, so I will try see what is all the fuss is about. I have seen some movies with HD DVD and I think there is no difference, so I am not going to have high expectations for Blu-Ray.
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