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post #31 of 50 Old 09-06-2007, 02:57 PM
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Ok can't you just hear BLUES FOR BABY AND ME and HAVE MERCY ON THE CRIMINAL in their full surround glory?? Oh my!! That could be the greatest surround project ever!!

I would love to hear Daniel cleaned up and in surround. And Texan Love Song... what a song!
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So I've been relistening to all the EJ SACDs I own: EJ, Madman, Tumbleweed, Honky, Cpt Fantastic, and I'm liking them more and more. Overall, listening to them is a great sonic experience. The major thing about all of them that I still do not like, is having only EJ's vocals and lack of any music on the center channel. My front speakers are pretty well distanced from each other (~12ft or so) and I can notice the lack of music from the center. It's not a movie, why the need to isolate his vocals on the center? Yes, it's cool to listen to isolated vocals when you listen to just the center, but I feel it detracts from a multichannel experience by not utilizing the center for more isolated music and instrument isolation. No multichannel SACDs that I own (~25) do this. Often, I feel the piano gets lost in the front channels, where it would have been great to put some piano in the center. Basically, the EJ SACDs are more of a 4.1 experience than a 5.1 IMO. Still, they are very nice to listen to, especially love listening to "Hercules" from Honky Chateau.
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After reading your post yesterday I went home and played the redbook GYBR cd and the dvd-a back to back. It is the first time in prolly a year that I listened to the cd. To me, it just sounded muffled vs the dvd-a version. I could hear all the guitars, horns, drums,etc much better than redbook version on my little system. God knows , you have some of the best equipment out there but to me, the dvd-a is far superior in sonics and mix. To each their own ???


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My guess is that since I'm totally new to surround music that I need to work on my set up. I simply can't believe that all of you guys have it wrong. My theater has been down for a month for some video upgrades so hopefully Saturday night I can revisit this. I appreciate all of the great input in this thread.

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My guess is that since I'm totally new to surround music that I need to work on my set up. I simply can't believe that all of you guys have it wrong. My theater has been down for a month for some video upgrades so hopefully Saturday night I can revisit this. I appreciate all of the great input in this thread.

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I think a Saturday night in your theater would be kick-ass !!!

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I also think that the Greg Penny mix's are extraordinary. To be honest I didn't own a lot of these albums before the 5.1 mixes, but I was familiar with the main songs. Tumbleweed is my fav surround of the bunch.

I applaud Art for giving these a second chance, let us know what you think after your theater is back up and running.

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I was listening to this DVDA the other night and thought the treble was a bit "pish-pish" IYKWIM.I did a search here to see if the SACD version had a better top end. Then I read that most people say both versions suffer from a very slight brightness. Then after having comparing the Redbook CD and DVDA like wjg did previously by syncing my NAD Cd player with my Marantz Uni player I was able to quickly toggle between the two and can conclude that everything is on the DVDA with bells and separation galore. Chalk and Cheese The DVDA has given the room this lush album deserves. The vocals are spread evenly across the front three speakers and the bottom end pumps nicely. Its just a pity the high end is exposed (maybe to its own detriment) as a result of this Hi Rez treatment. The CD sounded typically muted at all frequencies. The top end was a little more recessed in the CD but it stills suffers in its fidelity as does the DVDA. It seems to me like the problem goes back to the recording/mastering processes?????????. The Drums cymbals recorded to loud??. Guitars are still crisp and sweet. Go figure.
Disclaimer: The album is a must get and these are near trivial soundings. It does not fatigue my cloth ears after many revs.
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My guess is that since I'm totally new to surround music that I need to work on my set up. I simply can't believe that all of you guys have it wrong. My theater has been down for a month for some video upgrades so hopefully Saturday night I can revisit this. I appreciate all of the great input in this thread.
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Hi Art I A/B'd the CD and DVDA (see above) and the guitars on "Love Lies Bleeding" are active and even to the sides. No front activity. I reckon you just need to crank the sides up 3 or 4 clicks (either via the player or receiver. I like to keep the 6.1 at the receiver at 0db all round. Less signal degradation maybe??). Now you will recognise this thing as the album you knew. Enjoy.
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My family loves the EJ multi-channel mixes while driving in my car, they, the Police and Gaucho sound real good, yes they do.

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What kind of car has surround sound?
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I might have the record for worst dead-thread bump! haha

Would still like to know, though...
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I like all the 5.1 SACDs from Elton John.
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Tumbleweed Connection is my favorite but I like them all. The SQ is fantastic. The drums have impact missing from many a MC mix. Vocals, piano, and guitars all sound great. To each his own. I don't think Pepper sounds very good but others love it.
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I might have the record for worst dead-thread bump! haha

Would still like to know, though...
Thanks for reviving my old thread from the dead!

I do like the EJ mixes except for still, the lack of any music from the center channel and only vocals. I have a few 5.1 mixes like that (Crowded House DVD-A is my most recent one) and I just hate it because the L and R have to be closer than I want due to no music coming out the center.

Love my EJ SACD collection though, along with the Doors and Depeche Mode. Those are probably better, IMO, especially DM, but they're all excellent... mostly.
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Haha... no problem! I'm just curious what kind of car has surround sound, that the guy I quoted was listening in.
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2013 Acura RDX plays multichannel DVD-Audio (but not SACD)
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Haha... no problem! I'm just curious what kind of car has surround sound, that the guy I quoted was listening in.
I am curious about that too, since I see "surround sound" listed in various online car "configurators". Curious how many actually can decode and properly play 5.1 sources discretely. Of course, the issue also is that these cars typically have a lot of speakers, up to 12 or more, so not sure how well that would sound. And the thing is that, I believe, most/all aftermarket car receivers only output (analog) 2 front channels, 2 rear channels, and 2 sub channels, or sometimes 4 fronts (for tweeters/woofers), 2 rears, and 2 subs. OEM units may be specialized to actually decode and output real multichannel surround.

Are there any receivers or preamps that can actually output a discrete center channel? Nothing on Crutchfield at least. Too bad because my Sienna minivan has factory L/R/center speakers but the center speaker is just (I think) a mix of front L/R. Would be pretty awesome to have a bonafide 5.1 setup in your car and play SACD/DVD-A MC audio ripped to a USB drive.

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Would be pretty awesome to have a bonafide 5.1 setup in your car and play SACD/DVD-A MC audio ripped to a USB drive.


Yes! If I find out, I'm gonna rent it for a few days and just drive around listening to bliss!
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Yes! If I find out, I'm gonna rent it for a few days and just drive around listening to bliss!
Hah! 2013 Acura RDX will be my next car.
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Never bought a vehicle for the sound system . I might have to give that some thought .

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I am curious about that too, since I see "surround sound" listed in various online car "configurators". Curious how many actually can decode and properly play 5.1 sources discretely. Of course, the issue also is that these cars typically have a lot of speakers, up to 12 or more, so not sure how well that would sound. And the thing is that, I believe, most/all aftermarket car receivers only output (analog) 2 front channels, 2 rear channels, and 2 sub channels, or sometimes 4 fronts (for tweeters/woofers), 2 rears, and 2 subs. OEM units may be specialized to actually decode and output real multichannel surround.

Are there any receivers or preamps that can actually output a discrete center channel? Nothing on Crutchfield at least. Too bad because my Sienna minivan has factory L/R/center speakers but the center speaker is just (I think) a mix of front L/R. Would be pretty awesome to have a bonafide 5.1 setup in your car and play SACD/DVD-A MC audio ripped to a USB drive.



Do you have, or have you tried, one yourself?
Yes, I own an RDX. The ELS sound system is excellent and it definitely plays multichannel DVD-Audio discs. I used to own a 2004 Acura TL, which also played DVD-As -- which was one of the primary reasons I bought it and kept it for 14 years.
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