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Would you purchase a 5.1/4.0 download from a place like HDTracks?

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Would you purchase a 5.1/4.0 download from a place like HDTracks?:
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Would you purchase a 5.1/4.0 download from a place like HDTracks?:
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/for...2/#post-394197
Voted "YES". Thanks for the link.
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Most of the music that HDTracks sells as "high-resolution" is NOT!! They are digitized from sub high-resolution sources and padded with zeros to fit a high-resolution container. Only purchase high-resolution audio from sources that list the FULL PROVENANCE. If it was recorded before 1998 and/or using analog tape, it cannot be high-resolution by definition. If they did not use microphones that can capture above 22khz, it cannot be high-resolution. It could be amazing quality, and an exceptional recording but it cannot be high-resolution.
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Who said anything about “high resolution”? The question was would you buy 4.0/5.1 tracks from HDTracks. Multi-channel and high resolution are independent of each other.

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Who said anything about “high resolution”? The question was would you buy 4.0/5.1 tracks from HDTracks. Multi-channel and high resolution are independent of each other.
Technically yes, but I never encountered a 16/44.1 mch recording so far, I have a few 24/48 or even a 24/44.1 both which would still be considered a "better than CD" resolution, which is a rather dumb term, but widely used nonetheless.


But to answer the original question: NO, and mainly for what they been asking for prices on the 2ch stuff, I can't imagine that MCH tracks would be even the same let alone less of the 2ch stuff.

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Checking out the link in the op it seems many voices the same issues as I have, but in principle I don't oppose DL's hack I advocated for the idea in the past right on this forum before.

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Technically yes, but I never encountered a 16/44.1 mch recording so far, I have a few 24/48 or even a 24/44.1 both which would still be considered a "better than CD" resolution, which is a rather dumb term, but widely used nonetheless.


But to answer the original question: NO, and mainly for what they been asking for prices on the 2ch stuff, I can't imagine that MCH tracks would be even the same let alone less of the 2ch stuff.
DTS Digital 5.1 Surround CD's are/were 16/44.

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DTS Digital 5.1 Surround CD's are/were 16/44.
True but it is a lossy format, on top of that no one uses it to record anything, since I used the word "recording" in my post, still I guess I should have been more clear on that I was talking about lossless or uncompressed tracks not just MCH.

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Most of the music that HDTracks sells as "high-resolution" is NOT!! They are digitized from sub high-resolution sources and padded with zeros to fit a high-resolution container. Only purchase high-resolution audio from sources that list the FULL PROVENANCE. If it was recorded before 1998 and/or using analog tape, it cannot be high-resolution by definition. If they did not use microphones that can capture above 22khz, it cannot be high-resolution. It could be amazing quality, and an exceptional recording but it cannot be high-resolution.
Are you saying that the SACDs produced from high-quality analog tapes from the pre-CD era are not considered high resolution? I figured that when Sony/Columbia and RCA released these earlier recordings as SACDs, it was because the later recordings were made on digital recordings for CDs. Some of the analog recordings from the '50s and '60s were on 1/2" tape on 30 ips Ampex recorders.
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Analog tapes and the equpiment that records onto them, do not have the resolution/dynamic range that is required for the definition of "high resolution". They may be amazinginly wonderful and terrific sounding recordings. You can call them high-fidelity, high-definition, high-quality but they cannot be high-resolution.

If you look at my signature, you will see that I own, arguably, the best tape recording machine ever. It is not able to record high-resolution like my reasonably cheap Sony PCM-D100 can. The sound is very different as well.


Releasing earlier CDs as SACD can yield improved results because of remastering, but you are still limited to the quality of the orginal recording technology.

I could take a 1903 Edison recording that sounded horrible, resample at DSD512 and it will still sound horrible. HDTracks would call it high-resolution, however!!

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Maybe it depends on the definition of high resolution. I would say that if they exceed CD bit depth or interval, then they are higher resolution than CDs. Maybe "High Resolution" has to meet a specific standard.
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Maybe it depends on the definition of high resolution. I would say that if they exceed CD bit depth or interval, then they are higher resolution than CDs. Maybe "High Resolution" has to meet a specific standard.
There are different definitions.

Japanese Audio Society defines it as: The entire recording stream must be capable of at least recording without distortion above 1%, frequencies over 40Khz and a potential dynamic range of 110db.

That includes microphones, preamps, converters, media, plug-ins, etc.

Analog tape has never had that ability as a storage medium and I am unaware of any tape recorder that has anywhere near that ability.

That also implies that your entire playback stream should have those abilities as well to take full advantage.

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Most of the music that HDTracks sells as "high-resolution" is NOT!! They are digitized from sub high-resolution sources and padded with zeros to fit a high-resolution container. Only purchase high-resolution audio from sources that list the FULL PROVENANCE. If it was recorded before 1998 and/or using analog tape, it cannot be high-resolution by definition. If they did not use microphones that can capture above 22khz, it cannot be high-resolution. It could be amazing quality, and an exceptional recording but it cannot be high-resolution.
I must agree with you on this one. After spending about $500.00 from HDTracks, I concluded I do not like the sound as the music sounds like up-converted PCM at 44.1/16 making the music louder but not better sounding. I'd love to order multi-channel music, but not from HDTracks.
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