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The Beatles White Album in 5.1!

Hopefully these keep coming, reading Abbey Road is in the works. Day one buy!

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I want them to go in the other direction from Sgt Pepper and hit Revolver and Rubber Soul
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Hope Peter Cobbin does the 5.1 mix.
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Why not 7.1 or Dolby Atmos?

My favorite albums from them are Help! Abby Road, and Please Please Me.
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I'd be happy just to hear the 5.1 mix, but Atmos would be a real nice plus!
It's taken forever, but I'm glad at least some of these great albums are finally being released in surround.
Personally I wish they would release more stand alone Blu-rays instead of these expensive boxsets.
At the current price of $152 that's to much for me. All I would want is the Blu-Ray Audio.

Just read this on HRM : We’re told that the new remix of the album by Giles Martin has “incredible clarity and more bass and drums present.”
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Uh oh, Giles is doing the mixes again?
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Uh oh, Giles is doing the mixes again?
He doesn't have a good track record I take it?
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I prefer the Cobbin Mixes from the Anthology. Other than "Love" I have found Giles mixes underwhelming. But I'll take what I can get I guess.
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He doesn't have a good track record I take it?
I'm pretty sure he's generally well-respected in the field. It's just that many found his 5.1 treatment of Sgt. Pepper to be conservative to the point of being nearly disappointing. Or perhaps a "missed opportunity".

Probably an unwinnable war that, given that the wildly creative nature of Sgt. Pepper sort of begs for an equally wild surround mix, while on the other hand the iconic stature of the album and the elder Martin's work sort of demands a bit of respect, not to say caution. Personally I boosted the surround channels by 6 dB (actually, attenuated everything else) and it's great fun.
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He doesn't have a good track record I take it?

That would be a big no.


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I'm pretty sure he's generally well-respected in the field. It's just that many found his 5.1 treatment of Sgt. Pepper to be conservative to the point of being nearly disappointing. Or perhaps a "missed opportunity".

Probably an unwinnable war that, given that the wildly creative nature of Sgt. Pepper sort of begs for an equally wild surround mix, while on the other hand the iconic stature of the album and the elder Martin's work sort of demands a bit of respect, not to say caution. Personally I boosted the surround channels by 6 dB (actually, attenuated everything else) and it's great fun.

Sorry, but he’s been deservedly panned for stuff he’s done since Love. Pepper was compressed and needed too much adjustment to make it listenable in surround. He didn’t have enough experience to tackle a seminal album like Pepper and hasn’t done much work since then to warrant tackling anything else in the Beatles catalog.
I don’t think Pepper was an unwinnable war. It just needed an experienced person to do the mix. He wasn’t it.
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Sorry, but he’s been deservedly panned for stuff he’s done since Love. Pepper was compressed and needed too much adjustment to make it listenable in surround. He didn’t have enough experience to tackle a seminal album like Pepper and hasn’t done much work since then to warrant tackling anything else in the Beatles catalog.
I don’t think Pepper was an unwinnable war. It just needed an experienced person to do the mix. He wasn’t it.
Good to know and appreciate the info. I'll wait and read reports on the 5.1 mix before ordering.
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I have no complaints at all about the Sgt Pepper mixes, other than the calibration mistake on the rear channels. The album is immersive when it needs to be, it's focused on a soundstage when it needs to be, and it has some of the best placement in the middle of the room that I've ever heard. Good Morning has lots of fun and well placed ping pong effects too. I can't think of any other surround mix I have that perfectly tracks from front right to rear left like that. I think a lot of the immersive effects depend on the 100Hz to 400Hz range, so it requires having fairly large rear speakers and a very well equalized upper bass. The Beatles in general require good EQ. There is a song on the White Album where Paul plays a descending bass line down a bunch of octaves with each note the exact same volume as the others. I've heard it on other people's systems and I can hear the descending notes get softer then louder. Great way to check your system.

If I had to describe Giles Martin's mixing style, it would be detail oriented. He never gets any balances wrong and achieves some impossible things. For instance in 1+, he takes live TV performances sung to on set playback and filters out the playback perfectly. Then he takes the original studio track and matches the pitch precisely, dials out the vocals and recombines them to sound like they belong together. That is NOT an easy thing to do without creating weird EQ firebreaks and pitch shifts and artifacts galore. He also excels in getting the surround mix to feel like the original mix. That is extremely important with The Beatles, because George Martin's input was a major part of their sound. An example of the opposite of that would be Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here. That surround mix is slap dash and anything but detailed. When I listen to it, I keep thinking in my head how much better the old album sounded. It isn't a bad mix in broad strokes, but that album has some very specific production touches that shouldn't be paved over by sloppiness.

I'm looking forward to the White Album a lot more than Imagine. Everything I read about Imagine indicates that they're taking some very direct and not very nuanced approach to mixing it. That's the one I would recommend taking a wait and see approach to. From what I hear, they're mixing it like one of those primitive early stereo or early quad mixes where the guitar is in one speaker and the keyboards in a totally separate one. They call it "raw mix". You don't get any kind of soundstage that way. But it sounds OK on badly implemented multichannel systems. I hope they don't go back to catering to that.

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My first choice for 5.1 or Atmos after Sgt Pepper's would have been Revolver. I found the surround in Pepper's mostly too conservative but will no doubt buy White Album just because. One wonders what Steven Wilson would have done with both of these (sigh).

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Just pre-ordered from amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Just pre-ordered from amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Waiting for @Bill Mac the World's Greatest Deal Finder to inform us of an even better deal (although I had a $15 courtesy credit from amazon which was applied).
Not sure if I'm the "World's Greatest Deal Finder" but I try . Looking quickly the White Album box set is available for preorder at importcds for $126.44 plus shipping.

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Not sure if I'm the "World's Greatest Deal Finder" but I try . Looking quickly the White Album box set is available for preorder at importcds for $126.44 plus shipping.

http://www.importcds.com/the-beatle...m/602567571957

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I checked importcds.com but as a CA resident, I get charged sales tax for a total of $139.78 (including shipping) which is still a good deal. With amazon, I'm "only" paying $133.67. If I didn't have the $15 amazon courtesy credit, I'd probably buy it from importcds.com. If importcds.com offers a promo code before the ship date, I'll probably cancel amazon and go with importcds.com.

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Probably not going to get this one, but it's good to hear. If any artist is going to be able to influence others to remix albums in 5.1 it's probably the Beatles.
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Sure wish they would sell the 5.1 mix separately, and at a good price. I love the Beatles, and this has some great tunes, but there are some clunkers on here as well. Does anyone really ever listen to Revolution 9???


I'm also hesitant about the demos. I have all 3 double CD's of the Anthology. Other than a few cuts, most of the songs on there haven't been listened to in quite a while.


Now... I'd buy Abbey Road in a heartbeat.
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I prefer the Cobbin Mixes from the Anthology. Other than "Love" I have found Giles mixes underwhelming. But I'll take what I can get I guess.
I agree Sgt. Peppers' surround mix was underwhelming.
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I agree Sgt. Peppers' surround mix was underwhelming.
Did you boost the rear channel +6dB to bring it back to proper levels?
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Here's an early review of the 5.1 surround mix.
http://audiophilereview.com/audioph...sound-mix.html
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Just received (avsforum rotated the pic 90 degrees) No: 0015895.

EDIT: Listening to the 5.1 surround mix on the BD first. Sounds really, really good. Plenty of action in the rear surrounds too. Great mix, great clarity all around!

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There's some great stuff on the sessions CDs. A few songs we've never heard, and early versions of stuff that wound up on the later albums.
Very nice package too, the clear plastic sleeve will keep the book nice and fresh on the shelf.
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Just listened to "Yer Blues" in DTSMA and Paul's bass was literally shaking my couch. Mark me down as hugely happy with this BD. I sat down to sample a couple tracks and got up 45 min later.
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I'm not keen on the plastic slip. Those kinds of things are a pain to get off and on and they inevitably get all scratched up and torn.
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SQ? The Pepper Hi Rez had a harsh treble on the vocals and Guitars that shows up when played LOUD. My other versions of Pepper don't have this issue. Anthology, Hard Days Night, Help, Yellow Submarine, & Magical Mystery Tour DVD's and BD's don't have this issue. If my Speakers or Electronics were to blame I would think I would hear it on many other releases but I don't. Does anyone else notice a lack of warmth in Pepper or The White Album? I know on some budget greatest hits packages they boost the hell out of the treble to make it sound more detailed and clean. That sounds ok at low volumes but is nasty played loud. I think the mastering could have been better on Pepper. Is The White Album BD an improvement in SQ over Pepper?
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Sure wish they would sell the 5.1 mix separately, and at a good price.....
Me too. I'd happily buy Sgt Pepper's and White Album BluRays, but spending close to $250 is a bit much.
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SQ? The Pepper Hi Rez had a harsh treble on the vocals and Guitars that shows up when played LOUD.
I haven't had that problem at all with Sgt Pepper. My only problem was with the volume levels of the rear channels.

That sounds like it might be a problem in the center channel though. Generally, imbalances don't show up in very high and low frequencies all the time, because not all recordings have content in the extreme octaves of human hearing. I have that problem adjusting my bass sometimes. I'll set it with a recording that only goes down to 40Hz, and then I'll play something with bass down to 20Hz and it will sound too bassy. If you think the harshness is up in the top octave (between 10kHz and 20kHz) it might not show up in all recordings. I'd try rolling off the highest part of the high end a bit with your equalizer just in the center channel. That is usually where vocals and lead guitar are situated. Just a suggestion. It always pays to fine tune your response curve as you find problems. Automatic EQ is good, but it isn't perfect.
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I haven't had that problem at all with Sgt Pepper. My only problem was with the volume levels of the rear channels.

That sounds like it might be a problem in the center channel though. Generally, imbalances don't show up in very high and low frequencies all the time, because not all recordings have content in the extreme octaves of human hearing. I have that problem adjusting my bass sometimes. I'll set it with a recording that only goes down to 40Hz, and then I'll play something with bass down to 20Hz and it will sound too bassy. If you think the harshness is up in the top octave (between 10kHz and 20kHz) it might not show up in all recordings. I'd try rolling off the highest part of the high end a bit with your equalizer just in the center channel. That is usually where vocals and lead guitar are situated. Just a suggestion. It always pays to fine tune your response curve as you find problems. Automatic EQ is good, but it isn't perfect.

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I have so many Hi Rez discs that sound amazing that I find it confusing when I encounter just a few like this. Rumours, Hotel California, Moondance, Songs For Beginners, all the ELP and Yes, Roxy Music, Tapestry, Fagen and Steely Dan, Miles Davis, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole and many others have awesome SQ. Then there are those like Rush's Moving Pictures that sound dead and compressed or Metallica's Black DVD-A that that sounds harsh and thin. I listened to the vinyl and original RB CD plus the 2009 RB remaster of Pepper and it is not harsh at all even with DPLIIx it sounds warmer and can be played loud. I got right up in front of the Center Speaker with the BD of Pepper playing loud and did not find the center to be the culprit. For some reason my setup does not like Giles and whoever did the mastering yet LOVE sounds fantastic! I just don't understand why the SQ of Love would blow me away and the SQ of Pepper leave me cold. All in the same room with the same speakers and Electronics. I hope the White Album SQ makes me a believer!
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You are boosting the rears +6dB when you play Sgt Pepper, right? Without that it is all up front and quite dry sounding.
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